Political Debate Thread!

[GarretSidzaka]

Please discuss political ideas, goverments (or lack thereof), religion, ideologies, and current events here! Also, if you want to give criticisms to the mod that aren't exactly constructive, put them here. I want to hear all you have to say, so don't be shy.

{Do Not Post Rascist, Sexist, Prejudice Statements Here! I will notify the moderator if you get ugly like this.}

 

[GarretSidzaka]

Feel free to post some angry statements, just don't break the above three rules, and don't cuss or swear insanely.

 

[Fabrysse]

Hello
I have a problem with religions : Just after starting the game, you have alerts saying for exemple "Syndicalist Committee has founded Christianism" !!!
It would be better that factions not found religions, but something else...
Does anybody have an idea ?
If you want I can work on this part...

 

[GarretSidzaka]

this will be fixed in 2.0, and is already mostly fixed in the alpha stage.

but please, lets keep this thread for people who want to argue abstract politics and put this kinda discussion in the main discussion thread, if you would. just trying to organize this forum

 

[GarretSidzaka]

i am a leftist syndicalist "existentialist" and do not support america's current regime, nor the regime of nearly all of the modern countries in this world.

 

[ArneHD]

Personaly I am a center left educationist. I.E. I belive that all the worlds ills can be "cured" throught propper education and social enginering.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

Personaly I am a center left educationist. I.E. I belive that all the worlds ills can be "cured" throught propper education and social enginering.

i happen to be anti-educationalist, in the sense that i was "educated" in america, where all we were taught turned out to be lies.

but i would support someone who thought they could reform the system of teaching to bring honesty and ethics back to learning!

 

[woodelf]

I personally dislike how the Puritan way has screwed this country up. I'm not sure I have a label, but clearly what we have now doesn't work.

 

[Fabrysse]

clearly what we have now doesn't work.

[having a politic discution in english is not easy for me. I try to explain, but if it's not clear, tell me, I'll try again]

What you have in USA doesn't work. What they had in USSR doesn't work. What we have in Europe (with few differences between countries) doesn't work.
I think only auto-organisation of people could work. I am an anarchist and a syndicalist in France, and every day I explain that everything must me decided by everybody. For that, people have to understand politic, have interest for it. Not by voting 1 time every 5 years, to decide who will be the chief. But by discussing all the questions and explaining his way of thinking.
We have that when we have big strikes, but quickly, uses come back and everybody go back to his job, forgotting what happened in this time of revolt where discussion was free.
In one of the musics I purpose in the French sountrack, one is titled "Brulez le pouvoir" that means "burn the gouvernence" (or something like that). That's it : we have to distroy all congress, president, and so on, so then we all together will be the governence, we will decide together about everything...
Only one solution : revolution !!

 

[ArneHD]

i happen to be anti-educationalist, in the sense that i was "educated" in america, where all we were taught turned out to be lies.

but i would support someone who thought they could reform the system of teaching to bring honesty and ethics back to learning!

Care to describe in more detail?

By the way, when I say education, I mean the entire process of growing up, from your parents to university. I think that you can give a child attributes, such as intelligence, energy, resourcefullness, initiative and other such things through education.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

[having a politic discution in english is not easy for me. I try to explain, but if it's not clear, tell me, I'll try again]

What you have in USA doesn't work. What they had in USSR doesn't work. What we have in Europe (with few differences between countries) doesn't work.
I think only auto-organisation of people could work. I am an anarchist and a syndicalist in France, and every day I explain that everything must me decided by everybody. For that, people have to understand politic, have interest for it. Not by voting 1 time every 5 years, to decide who will be the chief. But by discussing all the questions and explaining his way of thinking.
We have that when we have big strikes, but quickly, uses come back and everybody go back to his job, forgotting what happened in this time of revolt where discussion was free.
In one of the musics I purpose in the French sountrack, one is titled "Brulez le pouvoir" that means "burn the gouvernence" (or something like that). That's it : we have to distroy all congress, president, and so on, so then we all together will be the governence, we will decide together about everything...
Only one solution : revolution !!

I had a epiphany about modern "democracy" that we are forced to endure in america. since it is near the time for "voting" here, i was waxing philisophical about what this meant.

I think that the idea of voting in a democracy give the powers that be the oportunity to easily change the decisions they made about the laws, and blamed on the people. You see, I don't believe that democracy exists in any way in america anymore, especially after the last few "elections".

And the greatest thing about this system: the rulers can do what they want with impunity, and then BLAME the people and save "Hey, you voted for us/this!"

@ArneHD
When you mean education beginning with early childhood, then i understand you. i am "anti-established american educational system"

 

[Leif]

While my political 'ism' is rarely stable, I believe that the education system is only as bad or crass as the people controlling the state. If we are to have an honest state system of education, then we must have an at least enlightened group ruling the country..... Not likely to happen.. But at least Socialists would fund them and keep the bible off the required reading list. (I'm a senior in a Kansan highschool, so the line between church and school is a very very thin one around me.)

 

[GarretSidzaka]

dude, i would be scared to live in kansas!!

i agree, the schools must be worse for you, i went to highschool and was senior in 1999! it sucked under clinton alot, but probly not nearly as bad as now! (but dont get me wrong clinton was still a prick)

 

[Leif]

My opinion of the currently horrible state of school capitalist indocination is based largely off of what little of Antonio Gramsci's work I have read.
check him out sometime
(I'm just now getting into Goldman)

-edit-
It's not that horrible in East Kansas, I live in a suburb of Kansas City so I have that great influence of Culture and radicals, also my Government AP teacher is a Socialist (or at least likes socialism).

 

[GarretSidzaka]

i just checked out Gramsci! he seems in his communistic ways to be the modernistic-era's equivelent to the neo-liberals' outlook. but to say this is rather shortsighted, alas. it is more that he created the tools for which the new-liberals to exist, rather that was part of the an early movement.

does that even make a fart of sense?

ps: i live in the suburbs of phoenix. can you say "Suburban Sprawl Hell" ?

 

[Leif]

Eh, elaboration might be nice

 

[GarretSidzaka]

Well, it is the conversion from a more individualistic pre-postmodern outlook on life to the Orwellian future we live today. It is perpetrated by the unknowing school teachers (are they really unknowing i wonder?)

An illusion is created then, in the classrooms across the allied world, or a better life under the regimes, rather that the truth: we are better because we are not being bombed, but rather bombing the rest of the unallied world.
But the illusion has to start somewhere; has to be initially woven for the unsuspecting, innocent minds of childeren: the classroom

 

[Urederra]

Any reason why you chose the spanish republican flag to represent the communal labor civics? I am just curious.

 

[GarretSidzaka]

i have changed it
thanks for the insight. the link i had originally intended does look rather tenuous.

 

[ArneHD]

One question, how do you imagine your utopian system?

In my mind utopia will arise when we begin to apply social engineering (link) to shape people from a young age to have certain traits: intelligence, creativity and initiative. if a large percentage of the human population could be engineered to have these traits, humanities ills could be over.