Political Philosophy discussion

[raxo2222]

Doesn't the Mod already have global warming? I thought it did hee hee.

Nope, it was disabled long time ago.
It worked very poorly.

 

[Sakura Matou]

Ah ok, a shame. Would be neat to see something like that return if it can work correctly

I always love "Crisis" in games such as things like that, Asteroid impacts, deccan trap and super vocano type of eruptions etc.

 

[tmv]

Ah ok, a shame. Would be neat to see something like that return if it can work correctly

I always love "Crisis" in games such as things like that, Asteroid impacts, deccan trap and super vocano type of eruptions etc.

There are still the "Bad Karma" modules, but I don't know if they are ready to be used.

On a completely different note:

 

[Sakura Matou]

There are still the "Bad Karma" modules, but I don't know if they are ready to be used.

On a completely different note:

Interesting video, funny note Some in Skane and Blekinge in Sweden still would want to become part of Denmark lol.

 

[tmv]

Probably biased, but the amount of work going into showing the geological situation is amazing.

 

[Thunderbrd]

Probably biased, but the amount of work going into showing the geological situation is amazing.

I don't usually like to spend my time on videos like these but the map on the thumbnail alone is so very much like what I'm suspecting the intent of this war is for Russia that I'm going to have to look into this later!

 

[Maltazard]

Probably biased, but the amount of work going into showing the geological situation is amazing.

If anything this goes to show the utter incompetence if not outright malice of european leadership and also the fundamental inadequacy of the US-Middle East friendships in offsetting Russia's leverage. Yes they finally agreed to a small production increase at last but they already profited from the higer price for three full months.
It's funny that it's going to be the complete lack of care from our leaders in the EU who are completely happy to see all of us become dirty poor if it means they can claim to have reduced our carbon emissions and thus also stop buying Russian oil and gas. "Inflation" aside, the standard of living divide between americans and europeans is going to go back to 1920s levels, ie cars - and fuel - are going to become a rare luxury for the few.
Then again oil had to be involved to justify the US interest, didn't it? In all seriousness, it was always obvious that it was europe that was gonna pay the higest price. However, it still makes no sense that Putin would take such a large gamble and expect no consequences. He must have been very poorly advised.

 

[raxo2222]

I wonder why some people fear of totalitarian NWO, when some big countries are barely functional and would be better off as more tight knit version of EU (split in several parts but cooperating in some areas)?
It seems like it requires billionaires to forget about their cultures and religions and cooperate like hivemind.

Are conspiracy theories just variations about elite hivemind?

 

[Maltazard]

From my deep dive into conspiracy theories, the "end game of all conspiracies" revolves around core gnostic beliefs. In other words, things like Area 51 or MKUltra are the equivalent of kindergarten conspirators. You go down the rabbit hole into secret societies, esotericism, alien life, parallel/multiple universes theories, quantum stuff, simulation theories, reincarnation/afterlife, and eventually understand that it is all a meaningless, endless yet interconnected game in which your own individual stream of consciousness is completely irrelevant. It's quite a humbling experience and also you go from tin foil hat nutter to enlightened spiritualist in the end. At least that was my journey.

That and also the fact that the past few years have proven that most "surface level" conspiracies involving governments and corporations are simply the plain truth. It's not even funny any more. Governments are corrupt, elites rule the world, corporations own governments, and people's lives are disposed by the elite as if we were cattle. At the end of the day it really is easier to just focus on your patch of grass and pray that it doesn't get revoked.

 

[raxo2222]

That and also the fact that the past few years have proven that most "surface level" conspiracies involving governments and corporations are simply the plain truth. It's not even funny any more. Governments are corrupt, elites rule the world, corporations own governments, and people's lives are disposed by the elite as if we were cattle. At the end of the day it really is easier to just focus on your patch of grass and pray that it doesn't get revoked.

Revert last 200 years of progress conspiracy. I wish I could do that in Victoria 3 modern day mod.

I wonder if reactionaries should be transported back to 1822 .
Also primitivists and jingoists want 1822 back for different reasons (not much of tech, imperialism is international sport).
Even western countries didn't have concept of worker/civil/human rights, and most of humanity were second class citizens.
For most people their lives weren't that much different compared to antiquity except gunpowder and books.

 

[Maltazard]

If our standard of life wasn't better than what we had in the early 1800s despite the technological advancement we'd have much bigger problems to worry about. It's not about it being better than 200 years ago, it's about what it is right now, and what could be better. Especially when some problems are entirely manufactured by political reasons. I can understand that climate change is a runaway catastrophe that we simply have to live with at this point (but how? Is it going to be everyone who suffers or just the not ultra rich?). Trade and logistical struggles and real wars however are manufactured issues that we have no good reason to be subjected under beyond a few people vying for control over others.

I would love to return to the 60-80s status quo - strong social rights, widespread middle class with strong purchasing power, moderate consumerism, optimism for the future, no overcrowding, no multiculturalism (a by-product of globalization and extreme capitalism) and so on. I don't think that makes me a reactionary.

 

[raxo2222]

I would love to return to the 60-80s status quo - strong social rights, widespread middle class with strong purchasing power, moderate consumerism, optimism for the future, no overcrowding, no multiculturalism (a by-product of globalization and extreme capitalism) and so on. I don't think that makes me a reactionary.

That would be reverting some reactionary and ultracapitalist changes
Effectively it seems like reactionaries are winning battles here and there since last 50 years or so.

That is these goals would be done sooner if it wasn't for elites straight out of Victorian times.

 

[Maltazard]

Provided those goals are actually achieved. If we're going to end world hunger by feeding everyone insect paste, well, I'm not sure if that counts as a win in my book. Then again feeding 10 billion people is going to be challenging. Perhaps we should try to stop at 8-9 billions then, if nothing else. I really don't want to eat insect paste. It took great technological advancements to prove Malthus wrong, but now despite OGMs and advanced farming techniques it turns out half the world relied on Ukraine to eat? That's not going to work out.

Similarly to housing. It's not going to be a success if it is achieved by having people living in 2 cubic meter and paying hundreds of dollars of rent like in Singapore and many other asian cities.

It really seems that a lot of problems actually are the product of overpopulation, which is a terrible thing to say, but at the same time we are at a point where people are openly discouraged from procreating for the sake of the environment in the west while other regions are not catching up to the fertility rates as quickly as they are to other advancements. It's a landslide of hungry angry people coming on. They're airing the movie "Interstellar" right now on TV, which has a similar incipit: too many people that wanted everything, global collapse, hundreds of millions of starved people, loss of global supply chains, regression to agricultural society, secret project to escape to the space to save humanity... reminds me of Musk and Bezos.

It's ironic that the same consumption model that enabled private space research is the very reason for the environmental catastrophe for which private space research is necessary in the first place, to possibly provide a long term survival opportunity for humanity. Orm it could end like "Don't look up".

 

[raxo2222]

So Industrial Revolution might eat its children after 200 years?

Then there was Black Death in Medieval era that caused labor shortage and potentially triggered event chain leading to Renaissance.

 

[Thunderbrd]

It's ironic that the same consumption model that enabled private space research is the very reason for the environmental catastrophe for which private space research is necessary in the first place, to possibly provide a long term survival opportunity for humanity. Orm it could end like "Don't look up".

I have been theorizing for a while now that life on Earth is, as a whole, an intelligent being managing things through genetic manipulations that aren't quite as random as they may appear to be capable of being. After the rock that nearly wiped out the dinos and all life here at that point, it realized it needed to get all its eggs out of this one planetary basket. Nothing at the time was really striving too hard for technology and in fact, the idea OF tech may have been a bit foreign a concept to life's ideas at the time because so far it was mostly about trying to figure out how to create an ecosystem that enabled the greatest biodiversity possible so that it could be as adaptive as necessary as a whole. Once it started to see the potential Humanity had after we started working with fire and advancing tools, it decided to pour its attention into us and push us to greater and greater intellect. It's suffering now and it knows it and it understands the cost of our technological improvements but the cost is also part of the victory because it will inspire us to keep solving the problems that will enable us to get to its final goal which is interplanetary diversification. We'll end up living in bubbles here on Earth because our tech destroyed the ecosystem of the planet but that's going to empower us to determine how to live on nearly any planet in the galaxy, including entirely artificial, non-planet or even star reliant habitations. Then our technology will also create solutions to the eco disaster we created because we learn ALL the tools to rapidly terraform and correct an environment so that life can have a great place on many worlds and not only will Earth return to being a verdant and lush homeworld, but we'll have spread all its life and more to the reaches of the galaxy. Life's existence for pretty much all time to the end of the universe itself is then pretty much assured to be safely ongoing somewhere and you never know - we may even then be able to solve for that boundary as well.

 

[MattCA]

It really seems that a lot of problems actually are the product of overpopulation

I posted Jordan Peterson's video called "Population Collapse Is Coming" and you guys said it was old news, but you won't forget about overpopulation.

we are at a point where people are openly discouraged from procreating for the sake of the environment in the west

Peterson really doesn't like that.

while other regions are not catching up to the fertility rates as quickly as they are to other advancements.

China and India don't have high birth rates.
Only Africa, and that's not a bad thing.

despite OGMs and advanced farming techniques it turns out half the world relied on Ukraine to eat?

Ya, that's stupid.
Why, for example, are bananas more expensive in Canada?
Can't blame overpopulation, Canada can start producing more food at any time.
Putin's fault. Somehow.

Similarly to housing. It's not going to be a success if it is achieved by having people living in 2 cubic meter and paying hundreds of dollars of rent like in Singapore and many other asian cities.

How come housing is so expensive in Canada and Norway?
Not because there is too many people and not enough land + trees.
Government just likes it this way.

Spoiler Housing prices by country :

Country | Price per square meter in city centre | Cost of a flat | Compared to global average
Hong Kong £26,487.54 £1,566,000 838%
Singapore £16,700.02 £987,000 491%
South Korea £11,887.00 £703,000 321%
Luxembourg £9,878.93 £584,000 250%
Switzerland £9,710.24 £574,000 244%
China £8,578.76 £507,000 204%
Israel £5,896.84 £349,000 109%
Germany £5,822.13 £344,000 106%
France £5,781.57 £342,000 105%
Canada £5,665.02 £335,000 101%
Taiwan £5,406.74 £320,000 92%
Qatar £5,351.28 £316,000 89%
Japan £5,350.07 £316,000 89%
Sweden £4,990.13 £295,000 77%
Norway £4,729.52 £280,000 68%
Netherlands £4,544.28 £269,000 61%
Kuwait £4,406.76 £260,000 56%
Austria £4,369.35 £258,000 54%
Australia £4,329.46 £256,000 53%
United Kingdom £4,018.75 £238,000 43%
New Zealand £4,013.27 £237,000 42%
Iceland £3,998.21 £236,000 41%
Denmark £3,961.81 £234,000 40%
Finland £3,905.20 £231,000 38%
Czech Republic £3,789.23 £224,000 34%
United States £3,707.20 £219,000 31%
Ireland £3,428.02 £203,000 22%
Jamaica £3,334.69 £197,000 18%
Italy £3,190.26 £189,000 13%
Kenya £2,983.83 £176,000 5%
Malta £2,968.64 £175,000 5%
Belgium £2,905.42 £172,000 3%
Russia £2,594.66 £153,000 -8%
Lebanon £2,594.57 £153,000 -8%
Spain £2,558.04 £151,000 -10%
Poland £2,554.95 £151,000 -10%
Slovenia £2,551.49 £151,000 -10%
Lithuania £2,540.80 £150,000 -10%
Portugal £2,498.67 £148,000 -11%
Thailand £2,385.57 £141,000 -16%
Uruguay £2,375.13 £140,000 -16%
United Arab Emirates £2,357.96 £139,000 -17%
Estonia £2,300.71 £136,000 -19%
Croatia £2,242.53 £133,000 -20%
Hungary £2,146.62 £127,000 -24%
Vietnam £2,120.71 £125,000 -25%
Slovakia £2,017.51 £119,000 -29%
Iran £1,932.92 £114,000 -32%
Philippines £1,848.22 £109,000 -35%
Argentina £1,712.41 £101,000 -40%
Bahrain £1,676.33 £99,000 -41%
Chile £1,657.87 £98,000 -41%
Cyprus £1,644.32 £97,000 -42%
Greece £1,641.20 £97,000 -42%
Panama £1,601.33 £95,000 -43%
Armenia £1,596.83 £94,000 -44%
Serbia £1,552.50 £92,000 -45%
Romania £1,543.75 £91,000 -46%
Malaysia £1,516.74 £90,000 -46%
Oman £1,450.86 £86,000 -49%
Montenegro £1,438.83 £85,000 -49%
Costa Rica £1,433.37 £85,000 -49%
Brazil £1,407.41 £83,000 -50%
Puerto Rico £1,398.33 £83,000 -50%
Peru £1,388.48 £82,000 -51%
Latvia £1,359.85 £80,000 -52%
Bulgaria £1,341.65 £79,000 -53%
Albania £1,334.21 £79,000 -53%
Belarus £1,282.02 £76,000 -54%
Indonesia £1,276.17 £75,000 -55%
Trinidad And Tobago £1,275.31 £75,000 -55%
Nepal £1,266.35 £75,000 -55% Sri Lanka £1,252.29 £74,000 -56% India £1,241.06 £73,000 -56% Guatemala £1,231.72 £73,000 -56% Ukraine £1,120.31 £66,000 -60% Morocco £1,108.60 £66,000 -60% Dominican Republic £1,093.06 £65,000 -61% Bosnia And Herzegovina £1,091.67 £65,000 -61% El Salvador £1,085.40 £64,000 -62% Ecuador £1,059.67 £63,000 -62% Azerbaijan £1,041.20 £62,000 -63% Iraq £1,023.00 £60,000 -64% Ghana £1,003.98 £59,000 -65% Mauritius £976.99 £58,000 -65% Kosovo (Disputed Territory) £968.00 £57,000 -66% Saudi Arabia £953.34 £56,000 -66% Bolivia £949.42 £56,000 -66% Uzbekistan £944.01 £56,000 -66% Mexico £918.97 £54,000 -68% North Macedonia £908.14 £54,000 -68% Jordan £881.32 £52,000 -69% Colombia £873.39 £52,000 -69% Moldova £804.81 £48,000 -71% Turkey £795.29 £47,000 -72% Palestine £772.41 £46,000 -72% South Africa £767.44 £45,000 -73% Algeria £740.33 £44,000 -74% Kazakhstan £726.12 £43,000 -74% Bangladesh £708.46 £42,000 -75% Honduras £693.77 £41,000 -75% Venezuela £630.02 £37,000 -78% Nigeria £613.87 £36,000 -78% Tunisia £607.43 £36,000 -78% Pakistan £538.26 £32,000 -81% Egypt £508.09 £30,000 -82%

Source: Property prices around the world in 2022 compared - Interactive map (finder.com)

 

[tmv]

Interesting statistic, but be careful when you have means without standard deviation: https://www.dummies.com/article/aca...d-deviation-is-an-important-statistic-169731/

 

[MattCA]

I thought we where all going to starve when Ukraine's harvest gets disrupted in the fall.
Isn't it a bit too early for a food crises from Putin's war?

Spoiler Trudeau blames Putin :

Spoiler :

 

[Maltazard]

I saw a five parts or so amateurial documentary a few years ago, presenting earth as it is seen from space, from alien eyes. It goes from small beings to bigger ones until it reaches the top of the food chain, the dominant species on earth: the corporation. Humans are in a pseudosymbiotic relationship with corporations, but ultimately it's the corporation entity that decides what gets done. I can't find it any more sadly, it was pretty well made, quite convincing. If you think of corporations as living entities, driven to survive and thrive and trump other corporations, a lot of things make more sense. Of course it's an exaggeration, but when profit dividends become the number one driving force above all else, even the survival of the very planet and humans, it's not too far from reality in my opinion.

 

[raxo2222]

I saw a five parts or so amateurial documentary a few years ago, presenting earth as it is seen from space, from alien eyes. It goes from small beings to bigger ones until it reaches the top of the food chain, the dominant species on earth: the corporation. Humans are in a pseudosymbiotic relationship with corporations, but ultimately it's the corporation entity that decides what gets done. I can't find it any more sadly, it was pretty well made, quite convincing. If you think of corporations as living entities, driven to survive and thrive and trump other corporations, a lot of things make more sense. Of course it's an exaggeration, but when profit dividends become the number one driving force above all else, even the survival of the very planet and humans, it's not too far from reality in my opinion.

Conservative is something you add to food, so it has longer shelf life