[POLL] AG's Yields Reduction Mod (AGYRM)

[amateurgamer88]

It's interesting to see someone trying to fix yield inflation on VP.
But it seems like you aren't taking recent tech cost changes into account. Because as per v2.7.3 there was a tech cost overhaul which makes all tech costs much more expensive (essentially inflating the costs).

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You can probably experiment with it by reverting to the old tech cost.

I'm taking one of the more drastic ways of fixing yield inflation. After all the changes I've made, I'm actually shocked how bloated everything was. It really shows with late-game buildings and Wonders when they had to do everything and have large numbers slapped onto them.

With the changes, I doubt even the old tech costs make any sense. My numbers are much smaller and some of them may need to be even smaller. I think only through feedback and playing can I find proper values for those tech costs. I've already halved the existing tech costs from v3.0.0 and even those may be a bit much starting in the Classical Era.

 

[N.Core]

I'm taking one of the more drastic ways of fixing yield inflation. After all the changes I've made, I'm actually shocked how bloated everything was. It really shows with late-game buildings and Wonders when they had to do everything and have large numbers slapped onto them.

With the changes, I doubt even the old tech costs make any sense. My numbers are much smaller and some of them may need to be even smaller. I think only through feedback and playing can I find proper values for those tech costs. I've already halved the existing tech costs from v3.0.0 and even those may be a bit much starting in the Classical Era.

I'm currently trying to re-balance the cost of EEVP tech costs because it still uses the old cost and not have been updated to reflect the v2.7.3 tech cost change.
So if you play with the current EEVP, the research is much faster than VP.

You can see my calculation here, maybe you can use this as a reference and I could also add your tech costs to this:

EEVP Tech Cost Calculation

Cost Calculation Tech,# of Techs,Old VP,Old EEVP,VP,New EEVP,Old VP Spent,Old EEVP Spent,VP Spent,New EEVP Spent,Old VP Accumulated Spent,Old EEVP Accumulated Spent,VP Accumulated Spent,New EEVP Accumulated Spent,Notable Science Generator Buildings,Note Ancient T1,5,60,60,60,60,300,300,300,300,3...

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[amateurgamer88]

Hi everyone! v0.9 of this mod is here! Changelog and details below. This will be the last of the "major" updates for this mod. Remaining tasks will be, through feedback and my own games, tweaking various values to achieve some level of balance along with maintenance (keeping it consistent whenever VP gets a new patch). If I overlooked certain things, they will be patched as well.

With the foundation more or less laid down, I will be working on the other components. I'm not sure when they'll come out but I do plan on chipping away at them. I wish to thank those who took the time to do the poll. There's a split between Local Development Mod and Tweak Mod. I'm still in the design stages of the Tweak Mod while the Local Development Mod still needs more time (see spoiler below for what's been completed thus far). The Tweak Mod will have two components: Core and Experimental. The Core components will stay with the mod while the Experimental component will be scrapped, become a Core component or make its way to one of the modular modmods. The Local Development Mod will be an ongoing thing where some yields will have immediate impact while others will take far longer to implement due to UI and Lua work that go into them.

Spoiler Local Development Mod Teaser :

Atomic Buildings, National Wonders and Wonders Yields Reduced
Information Buildings and Wonders Yields Reduced
Project related Wonders (Apollo Program, Crystal palace, etc..) Yields Reduced
Espionage Siphon Yields Reduced
All Units Cost Reduced
Tech Costs Readjusted up to Modern Era
Tech Costs Reduced from Atomic Era onward

Spoiler Detail :

Spoiler Atomic Buildings :

Airport:
Cost: 1125 Production
4 Maintenance
Allows Airlifts to or from this City. Increases Air Unit Capacity of the City from 2 to 6. +10 Damage to Air Units during Air Strikes on City.

Medical Lab:
Cost: 1125 Production
4 Maintenance
+2 Population when completed. 15% of Food is carried over after a new Citizen is born. Scientist, Merchant and Engineer Specialists in the City produce +1 of their base Yield.

Military Base:
Cost: 1125 Production
4 Maintenance
20 , +200 HP
+25% Production of Air Units. +15 Damage to Air Units during Air Strikes on City. Increases the City's Ranged Strike Damage by 10%. Garrisoned Units receive an additional 15 Health when healing in this City.
-1 Unhappiness from Distress. Empire Size Modifier is reduced by 5% in this City.

Police Station:
Cost: 1125 Production
4 Maintenance
Improves City Spy Resistance by 50%. When an Enemy Spy is killed in this City, gain Science and Culture, scaling with Era and the Level of the Spy killed.
-1 Unhappiness from all Needs.

Recycling Center:
Cost: 1125 Production
4 Maintenance
Provides 2 Aluminum.
Maximum of 5 of these Buildings in your Empire.

Stadium:
Cost: 1125 Production or 300 Faith
4 Maintenance
+1200 GAPs and +20 Influence with all City-States when completed.
+1 Tourism from Great Works. Requires a Zoo in the City.

Strategic Defense System:
Cost: 1125 Production
4 Maintenance
50% chance to detonate nuclear weapons early. Early detonations destroy Atomic Bombs outright and make Nuclear Missiles only as effective as Atomic Bombs. Reduces population loss from nuclear attack by 75%. +10 Damage to Air Units during Air Strikes on City.

Spoiler Information Buildings :

Hydroelectric Power Plant:
Cost: 1250 Production
4 Maintenance
+15% Production
All City Process are 10% more efficient at converting Production into Yields.
+1 Production and Gold on every Lake Tile and tiles next to a River.
Requires 1 Aluminum to be built. City must be built next to a River. City must not contain another energy-producing Plant.

Interpretive Center:
Cost: 1125 Production
4 Maintenance
+2 Happiness
+1 Culture and Tourism from all Landmarks in Empire.

Nuclear Power Plant:
Cost: 1250 Production
4 Maintenance
+50% Production
All City Process are 10% more efficient at converting Production into Yields.
Requires 1 Uranium to be built. City must not contain another energy-producing Plant.

Solar Farm:
Cost: 1250 Production
4 Maintenance
+15% Production
All City Process are 10% more efficient at converting Production into Yields.
+1 Science on all Land tiles.
Requires 1 Aluminum to be built. City must be built on or next to Desert. City must not contain another energy-producing Plant.

Spaceship Factory:
Cost: 1250 Production
4 Maintenance
+10% Science
+50% Production when building Spaceship Parts. Requires 1 Aluminum.

Tidal Power Plant:
Cost: 1250 Production
4 Maintenance
+15% Production
All City Process are 10% more efficient at converting Production into Yields.
+1 Production and Food on every Sea Tile.
Requires 1 Aluminum to be built. City must be built on the Coast. City must not contain another energy-producing Plant.

Wind Farm:
Cost: 1250 Production
4 Maintenance
+15% Production
All City Process are 10% more efficient at converting Production into Yields.
+1 Culture on all Land tiles.
Requires 1 Aluminum to be built. City must not contain another energy-producing Plant.

Spoiler Atomic Wonders and National Wonders :

Bletchley Park:
Cost: 1200 Production
Policies Required: 0
Requires completion of Rationalism Branch. All Scientist Specialists gain +1 Science. Improves City Spy Resistance by 15% in all Cities, provides 2 or more Additional Spies (based on number of City-States in game), and levels up all existing Spies.

National Intelligence Agency:
Cost: 65 Production
National Population Required: 60 (previously 70)
Improves City Spy Resistance by 15%, provides 1 or more Additional Spies (based on number of City-States in game), and levels up all existing Spies.
-1 Distress in all Cities.

Pentagon:
Cost: 1200 Production
2 Free Jet Fighter
Policies Required: 0
Requires completion of Imperialism Branch. Increases Military Unit Supply Cap by 1, and the Air Unit Cap by 2 in every City. +50% Production of Air Units in the City, and Air Units created in the City gain +20 XP.

The Motherland Calls:
Cost: 1400 Production
Free Police Station
Policies Required: 23
Building Maintenance reduced by 15% in all Cities.

Spoiler Information Wonders and National Wonders :

CERN:
Cost: 2000 Production
Policies Required: 27
Receive 2 Free Technologies and +100 Influence with all City-States in the world.

CN Tower:
Cost: 1700 Production
Policies Required: 25
+1 Happiness in every City. All Great Works gain +2 Gold and Tourism.

Great Firewall:
Cost: 2000 Production
Policies Required: 27
All Research Labs gain +3 Science. 99.9% reduction in effectiveness of enemy Spies in the City. All other Cities in your Empire get a 25% reduction in enemy Spy effectiveness.

Hubble Space Telescope:
Cost: 2000 Production
Free Spaceship Factory and Great Scientist
Policies Required: 27
+25% Production when building Spaceship parts.

Sydney Opera House:
Cost: 1700 Production
Policies Required: 25
Can only be constructed in a Coastal City. Receive 1 Free Social Policy and +25% Culture in this City. +15 Culture if Themed.

Spoiler Other Wonders and Projects :

Apollo Program:
Cost: 1500 Production
If you are the First to complete this, receive 1 Free Great Scientist near your Capital, and your Empire enters a Golden Age.

Citizen Earth Protocol:
Cost: 3000 Production

Crystal Palace:
Cost: 1875 Production
May only be built collaboratively through the World Congress. Receive +1 Production and Science for all Factories in owned Cities. The Empire enters a Golden Age.

Grand Canal:
Cost: 750 Production
May only be built collaboratively through the World Congress. Receive 1 Additional Trade Route. Grants all Naval Units except Submarines and Carriers the Treasure Fleet Promotion, which grants +10% CS when attacking, +1 Sight, and the ability to heal Outside of Friendly Territory.

International Space Station:
Cost: 4125 Production
May only be built collaboratively through the World Congress. +1 Production from Scientists, and +1 Science from Engineers. Great Scientists provide 33% more Science when used to discover new Technology.

Manhattan Project:
Cost: 1000 Production
If you are the First to complete this, receive 1 Free Atomic Bomb and a Free Medical Lab in your Capital.

Menin Gate:
Cost: 1650 Production
+2 Happiness
May only be built collaboratively through the World Congress. Forts, Citadels and Landmarks provide +2 Culture and GAPs.

Olympic Village:
Cost: 3375 Production
+3 Happiness
May only be built collaboratively through the World Congress. All Stadiums receive +2 Gold and Tourism.

United Nations:
Cost: 2550 Production
May only be built collaboratively through the World Congress. Receive 1 Additional Delegate in the World Congress for every 8 City-States in the game. When you expend a Great Person, earn 10 Influence with all City-States you have met. Triggers a Golden Age, as well as the United Nations Special Session of the World Congress.

Spoiler Misc :

Espionage Yields from Siphoning halved
Unit Costs (include SS parts) reduced
Tech Costs Readjusted between Ancient and Modern Era
Tech Costs reduced from Atomic Era onward

 

[N.Core]

Local Development? So basically your version of JFD's Cities in Development?

 

[amateurgamer88]

Local Development? So basically your version of JFD's Cities in Development?

It's inspired by JFD's Cities in Development. It probably won't be as in-depth and it's heading in a different direction.

 

[DImensiondog]

It's inspired by JFD's Cities in Development. It probably won't be as in-depth and it's heading in a different direction.

Looking forward to that mod. Also congrats on the final major update

 

[amateurgamer88]

Hi everyone! v0.10 of this mod is here! Changelog and details below. Other than the Authority Policy Tree rework, the rest of the changes are balance changes and bug fixes.

Unit or Promotion Changes:
Reduced Comanche Science from Pillage.
Faith from kills for Pictish Warriors reduced to 50% from 100%.

Building/Wonder/National Wonder Changes:
Palace now provides -5 Unhappiness from Urbanization of all Cities.
Observatory base Science reduced from 3 to 2
Wonder costs increased for same era and previous Era to 125% and 100% respectively

Improvement Changes:
Manufactory gains +1 Production when Machinery, Metallurgy and Manufacturing are researched.
Academy gains +1 Science when Scientific Theory is researched.

Policy Changes:
Free Thought gives +1 (instead of +2) Science to Observatory
Rights of Man gives +1 (instead of +2) Gold to Observatory
Colonialism gives +1 Yield instead of 2 for Monopolies
Equality gains +1 Gold in all Cities.
Expertise loses +1 Production in all Cities and gains +1 Gold in all Cities.
Authority Policy Tree Reworked

Specialist Changes:
Merchants gain +1 Gold when Trade and Banking are researched.
Engineers gain +1 Production when Machinery and Metallurgy are researched.
Civil Servants gain +1 Gold when Civil Service is researched.
Scientists gain +1 Science when Scientific Theory is researched.

Misc. Changes:
Wealth moved to Trade.
GPP reduced from Coup CS Quest
Increased research cost start in Renaissance Era by 10%
Faith Purchase Great People unlocked in Enlightenment Era (as opposed to Industrial Era)
Fixed Tutelary Gods belief (typo resulted in bonuses obtained from Goddess of Protection).
Changed the Policy and Tech Cost increase per City to 2/3/5/10/13/16 for Duel/Tiny/Small/Standard/Large/Huge Maps respectively.

Spoiler Authority Rework :

Authority:
Opener:
+25% combat bonus VS barbarians.
Cities gain 10 Culture when their borders expand.
+1 Production in every City.

Scalar:
+2 Border Growth Points in every City.

Dominance:
Cities gain 10 Faith and 10 Science when their borders expand.

Tribute:
Cities gain 10 Gold when their borders expand. +1 Production in every City.

Imperium:
A free Settler appears near the Capital. +1 Production in every City.

Militarism:
+15% Production when training Melee units. Gold maintenance for units reduced by 15%.

Honor:
All melee units heal for 15 points after killing a military unit. War Weariness reduced by 25%. Gold maintenance for Routes reduced by 50%.

Finisher:
Unlocks building the Alhambra
Allows the purchasing of Landsknechts, Foreign Legions, and Mercenaries
Allows for the purchase of Great Generals with Faith starting in the Industrial Era.

During the wait for the VP update, I've been working on the Tweak Mod. Below is a small spoiler as to what to expect for it.

Spoiler :