Poll for religious people

Does your religion justify war? [MULTIPLE CHOICE!]

  • My God[s] has urged war before

    Votes: 8 32.0%
  • My God[s] has never urged war

    Votes: 8 32.0%
  • My God[s] would justify war under a just cause

    Votes: 15 60.0%
  • My God[s] would never justify war

    Votes: 6 24.0%
  • My religious leaders would OK war

    Votes: 7 28.0%
  • My religious leaders would never OK war

    Votes: 6 24.0%

  • Total voters
    25

The Troquelet

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Self explanatory!

The usual don't troll/attempt civility/no Iraq threadjacks/etc warnings :crazyeye: for you Mad Cow[boy]s and Socialist Stinkers.... ;)
 
Atheist. No real religion, no real religious leaders :p.

And I would not let a well-known Atheist's preachings sway me because he or she is of the same "religion" as I am.
 
For purposes of simplicity, please separate the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Koran in your analysis - so a Christian doesn't count Jericho, etc. Also, things like the Crusades count as religious leaders - God's orders to Moses counts as God himself.
 
Greadius,Troq, anyone that reads the Old Testement knows that God sent the Isrealites into Canaan to sweep the place clean. They were told to NOT accept treaties, but to driveout or kill everyone. I'll get you specific sites if you want. Islam is decidedly more agressive about the unbelieving people. That covers the dieties of 1/3 of the worlds population. Or one God depending on how one looks at these things. It is the God of Abraham in each case.

J
 
Holy Zeus. My religious leaders saw the Columbia go down and Cassandra said something about it being an omen about the consequences of not paying attention to danger signs from the left wing. But who listens to her? Its Greek to me.
 
My God does not advocate war unless it is just. However, just wars are rare. So my God is probably against most wars.

The second set of options are bad, no offense. Should have been the same answers (just, etc) as the first. But the Pope is same as God; for just wars.

He just recently came out against Iraq. :p
 
He has urged war, some on a just cause that we can understand but most of them are for reasons that He only knows, and my religious leaders have Ok'd war before but I think they've learned from their mistakes and won't again for stupid reasons (unless absolutely necissary).
 
A sponsored one. I wonder when the Pope gets sponsored by Berlusconi or something.
 
Question about "My God would justify war under a just cause" ... how can anyone speak for their God?
 
Originally posted by Greadius
:hmm: Anyone who clicks the first one needs to read their Holy Text more closely. Anyone who clicks the last one is from a religion I've never heard of :p
I am not saying I dissagree, but please extrapolate.

You frequently infer that you posess an understanding, but so rarely share your information.
 
President Bush is a religious leader too.
Unless America has become a religion (not putting that one past them) then this comment is just plain stupid.
I'm not particularly religious; so I can't vote.
What sort of democracy do you live in? New England-style?
You frequently infer that you posess an understanding, but so rarely share your information.
The qualities of a true intellect. As Lincoln once said, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."
how can anyone speak for their God?
Read their Holy Book or the back of a breakfast cereal box depending on your religion.
 
Originally posted by Ancient Grudge
from one who has been here less then a month......
Ah, but I have have lived for many years :p

Besides, the majority of my arguments have been against Greadius. I feel highly qualified in making my statement.

Who are you to judge me? I don't think we have ever had a debate.
 
First disclosure: I am a biblical christian, meaning I do not follow the dictates of any church. Any orginize church is fundimentally flawed in that it becomes a tool of man and not God. The basic principle for a Biblical Christian is that the bible is more important than the church. We meet with other Christians, share teachings with them and others, but there is no organization. There are no religious leaders that I look to to tell me if a war is good, bad, just, or anything else.

1)The bible clearly allows a person to protect themselves and their family.
2)The bible clearly allows govenments certian rights that do not fall to single humans, one example would be the right of the state to use capital punishment, but that right is not granted to a singular human.
3)Since the coming of Christ, one thing that is not allowed is for you to raise your hand in violence in the name of Christ. This is something that the early Christians had right, and which quickly became perverted by "organized" churches.

Putting this all together, a war can be justified if it is fought by a state in defense. This defense is not limited to jsut the defense of your direct territory but can extend to a "pre-emptive" defensive action. Christians can fight in said war, if the war is such that the enemy poses a threat to him and his family and most of all that the war is NOT fought on religious grounds.

To use examples from history, and please understand these are my opinions and not anybody else's. Lets take the Civil War (as if any war can be civil). This war is unjust. Neither side was a serious threat to the other, and all of the issues could have been handled in a different manner. On the other hand, WWII is a just war because the enemy states posed threats to all the rest of the world, no matter where you lived. In both theaters, the opposing governments where out for domination and it would not have stopped with the gains they had made early on. They clearly needed to be stopped of the safety of mankind.

I purposely left out the current sittuation as the initial post requested this not be a flame war.
 
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