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[POLL] - We'll surely get Maya, Persia and Rome. What will be the last Classical era civ?

Discussion in 'Humankind by Amplitude' started by Krajzen, Mar 25, 2020.

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What is the remaining Classical Era civ, other than confirmed or certain ones?

Poll closed Apr 1, 2020.
  1. Moche (South America)

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%
  2. Nazca (South America)

    10 vote(s)
    34.5%
  3. Nabateans (Arabs, builders of Petra)

    2 vote(s)
    6.9%
  4. Numidians (Maghreb)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Picts, or other Celtic/Gallic culture

    7 vote(s)
    24.1%
  6. Saba (kingdom in Yemen)

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%
  7. Scythians/Sarmatians/Sakas

    4 vote(s)
    13.8%
  8. Silla (kingdom in Korea)

    4 vote(s)
    13.8%
  9. Other

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Krajzen

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    I thought the time has come for such fun polls. The real party will be medieval era and onwards, but for now let's try to guess the remaining Classical civ.

    Maya were confirmed, Rome and Persia are obviously obligatory and they were seen as well. Who is the tenth classical ranger (Tenth Argonaut)?

    The following list was made of IMO the most prominent possible civs before 500 AD, only those alphabetically following Maurya.

    Moche - one of the most important civilizations in Andean history
    Nazca - same as above, also creators of Nazca Lines :)
    Nabateans - desert builders of Petra and Mada'in Saleh
    Numidians - Berber contemporaries of Romans and Carthaginians from Maghreb
    Picts, or other Celtic/Gallic tribe - Celts were very important and quite sophisticated civilization, once spreading across half of Europe. And Picts were one of their coolest cultures, surviving onslaught of Rome, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings, finally becoming Scotland.
    Saba/Yemen - ancient history of Yemen is quite impressive, just severely under - excavated due to its terrible modern history. Major ancient arabic kindoms of Saba (mentioned in Bible) and Himyar. The former built the engineering marvel of ancient world, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marib_Dam
    Scythians, Sarmatians, Sakas etc - there is an incredible confusion regarding Eurasian Iranian nomadic cultures in Greco - Roman era, with many names being used without any sensibility and coherence, nevertheless Scythians were far more than mere barbarians, having very refined culture and major power in Eurasia for a millenium.
    Silla (Korean kingdom) - one of Korean kingdoms, it did start in late classical era from European perspective, although it mostly falls into medieval.
    Other - your other ideas. Including the chance that we won't get Maya in the classical era, and instead we'll get two unexpected civs :D

    I'll vote for Nabateans, Petra is very memetic and they'd be precedessor to medieval Arabs. Otherwise I'd vote Picts but having some descendant civ imho increases probability. I also think Moche or Nazca are possible.
     
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  2. j51

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    I know I was talking about Silla in the other threads, but the more I think about I'm guessing it could be the Nazca. They have such an iconic quarter that it would be hard for the developers to pass up and their advanced irrigation system would fit them into the era's Agrarian culture niche (I'm guessing that Maya=Scientist, Persia=Expansionist, and Rome=Builder).
     
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  3. Siptah

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    I‘m with @j51. Nazca as agrarians with the lines as unique quarters. Would love an ancient Arabian civ just as well. Not so much a fan of the Picts as classical celts variant.
     
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  4. danza4x

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    I'd say Qin is also very likely. We've already seen how Amplitude seem to want to progress some of the most important historical civilizations/regions throughout multiple eras and I think China is the biggest candidate for this.

    Outside of that, I would have said that some kind of "celts" would be probable because the PAX West livestream they did showed a "druidic" event and I think they even mentioned celts there - what confuses me is that I would have expected either Gauls or Celts as the culture name, but we've passed both of those alphabetically. Picts is a possibility, not sure what other specific celtic tribes they could really go for with names after M. If not celts, maybe they've changed something since (or perhaps this will be DLC)
     
  5. Alexander's Hetaroi

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    I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that any dynasty of China won't be represented in this era. If it was it would have definitely been by the Han, in my opinion.

    I'm also surprised by the lack of Celtic culture especially since the studio is located in France. That's the only reason why I voted for it, though Nazca for South America would be by next choice for geographical spread and then Numidia. Maybe they decided to go with the Goths instead and didn't want too many Europeans would be my only guess.

    I see Silla, or any iteration of Korea, as possibly being in the Medieval era and no Scythia because of the Huns.
     
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    Nok would also be very cool. A good representation of West Africa for the time.
     
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  7. Zaarin

    Zaarin Chief Medical Officer, DS9

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    My guess is that, since they presumably want to make it possible to at least stick in the same region across eras and we know East Asia is currently unrepresented in the Classical Era, we'll see one of Qin, Silla, or Yamato. My bet is on Yamato because Qin seems less likely than Han, and a lot of people (sadly) wouldn't be familiar with Silla. I'd be ecstatic if it were Silla, though.
     
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  8. Krajzen

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    I'd be irritated if it was Yamato, because Japan was pathetically backwards and barbaric until like second half of first millenium AD (and was even it was still constantly getting newest technologies from Korea and China for centuries, without having much to offer in return).
    I'd prefer if Japan entered the game in the medieval era, or even better, in renaissance (I would even argue about its industrial arrival, as only then it has become really significant on the global scale)
     
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    Early Modern would be a good point for Tokugawa or whatever they want to call Japan for that era. They definitely deserve some pre-industrial representation considering at least in the West those trademark symbols of the Sengoku era are so iconic and well known they definitly earned more than a few fame stars even if at the time their influence went little beyond Japan.

    I could see them going Yamato (Classical - Agrarian?) - Tokugawa (Early Modern - Aestheste) - Japan (Contempoary - Aestheste) But that would miss out an Industrial era Meiji that could work as a militarist/expansionist/builder culture

    I'm not too sure about Yamato what could there Emblematics be?
     
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    My dude, please stop using language like that. It's rude. You could have made your point with only your last sentence.
     
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    I've thought that it would make more sense for them to include Japan in the Middle Ages (Heian) than in Classical, then later have a modern Japan - especially as that would be the peak samurai period and I feel like I remember seeing, or reading about a samurai unit.
     
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  12. Alexander's Hetaroi

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    I threw this possibility out on the other thread but the Viet could be a possibility for an East Asia culture.
    I expect Japan and Korea to make it but at least not until the next age. Kamakura Japan and then Joseon Korea
     
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    That's why I'd prefer Silla despite their lack of name recognition. Then again, I'm a fan of Korea and would love to see them represented across multiple eras, unlikely as it is.

    I like the idea, but at the time we're talking about they were called Nam Viet/Nanyue, which doesn't fit alphabetically.
     
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    There are other good options for Vietnam like Dai Viet for Early Modern or Socialist Vietnam on Contemporary.

    Korea and especially Japan are a MUST on historical based strategy games, while Vietnam appears only on ones with big number of factions (AoE2 and Paradox games). So is more likely to have more than one Japan or Korea than Vietnam, making later Viet nations more appealing to average player.

    Classical Yamato > Medieval Mongolia > Early Modern Korean (Hwacha or Turtle Ship) > Industrial Japan (expansionist golden age) > Contemporary Socialist Vietnam, could be a nice "not China" Far East line.
     
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    I realize Amplitude is not an American company, but you'd be amazed how many Americans are only dimly aware of Korea as "the other not-China." :( You'd be hard pressed to find an American who wasn't an East Asian history nerd who was even aware Korea existed before Joseon (and just as hard pressed to find one who recognized the term "Joseon," for that matter).
     
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    If I'm not mistaken we've seen screenshots of both Samurai and a Hwacha unit which I think would mean the following:
    Medieval (Kamakura) Japan> Early modern (Joseon) Korea> Industrial (Meiji) Japan > Contemporary Vietnam.

    I would put Mongolia as separate from the other East Asian cultures and will be the successor to the Huns since they share the idea of Horde units.

    If the Viet won't work for Classical, I guess the only other option is Silla since Japan would already take up two other eras.
     
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    I’m also quite surprise by the (likely) exclusion of the Han, the Celts, and various other famous civilizations from this time period. Personally I think they’re saving some of the more well known ones so they can have an easier time selling a dlc bundle. I’m excited that they can just keep churning out new content without having the main bottle neck of the civ series: animated leader scenes.
     
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    We have seen evidence of the Hwach'aa, but also of the turtle boat. They could have been unsure which emblematic unit they chose, or they appear in two different times, but both would not fit in the classical era. That makes Silla less likely in my mind.

    I too would put Viet(nam) in the Modern era. There's an easy emblematic unit and a famous war in an era where they will struggle to find cultures that aren't hold overs from earlier. Yamato seem earlier.

    The bad thing is that next week there will be the Romans who don't exclude anyone alphabetically...
     
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    Yeah, that's quite probable. So far if they wanted to sell DLC they'd have
    For ancient era: various Andean civilizations such as Caral, Etruscans, "Celts" (to be more exact - La Tene or Halstatt proto - civilizations), Minoans, freakin Sumer, Urartu, Syrian or Aramean civilization (Aleppo, Damascus, Ugarit, Mari, Qatna, Ebla etc), Canaan, Elam, Vedic civilization, Nok (Nigeria), Punt (Somalia), Saba (Yemen), although some of them are slightly far - fetched
    For classical era: Han Dynasty, Gauls, Nazca, Moche, Nabatea, Judea, Parthia, Sassanids, Armenia, Gupta, Picts, Scythia...
     
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    Maybe the Picts, but yeah I doubt it. This is quite the mystery. I like it! (Of course, they could just be holding off on a culture earlier in the alphabet, because the assets weren't ready, or just to mess with us! ;))
     
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