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Polls: Ranking the UUs (Vanilla Civ3)

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Strategy & Tips' started by LastMan, Apr 3, 2002.

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Which UU is the best (Vanilla Civ3)

  1. Immortal

    86 vote(s)
    34.5%
  2. Samurai

    63 vote(s)
    25.3%
  3. Panzer

    43 vote(s)
    17.3%
  4. Rider

    37 vote(s)
    14.9%
  5. War Elephant

    11 vote(s)
    4.4%
  6. Cossack

    9 vote(s)
    3.6%
  1. Higher Game

    Higher Game National Socialist

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    "Mounted warriors are as useless as horsemen against pikemen."

    If mounted warriors are useless against pikemen, horsemen are useless against spearmen! They aren't as great as samurai, but they are cheap. And the rider is better than samurai, but Japan is a better civ than China because it is religious.

    In your next game, save up a few dozen horsemen and upgrade them to riders. You will take out 2 average civs or 1 huge civ with this. The samurai last longer than riders, but the rider's short term benefit will set you up for the win. I still prefer Japan, but China is also an excellent civ when you need the 3 movement to hold a huge empire together. Because resources like horses are more rare in smaller maps, Japan would have an advantage with their UU. China's UU would be better suited for a large map.

    Ironically, I think China's traits would suit it for a small map. Like the other Asian civs, China can be very effective early in the game or later in the game.
     
  2. Portuguese

    Portuguese Vassalising Spain

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    Sorry. Too soon for me.
    When war chariot is available, I didn't even found AIs.
    Maybe with MP that will change...

    Higher Game: Yes! Raider rules :D
     
  3. Portuguese

    Portuguese Vassalising Spain

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    Higher Game: China is best than Japan in UU and because it isn't religious!
    Why do you like religious?
    Do you build temples and cathedrals?
    Do you change government frequently?
    I don't see the point of being religious...
     
  4. Pygzilla

    Pygzilla loser of lost games

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    religious is great for cheap culture AND happiness giving improvements. as well as minimal handicap in govt change due to WW
     
  5. Portuguese

    Portuguese Vassalising Spain

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    But I only change from despotism to monarchy and I build the less temples I can, trying to make my ppl happy with luxuries and marketplace...
     
  6. Higher Game

    Higher Game National Socialist

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    I change governments all the time! In one of my Chinese late game wars (in a democracy, big mistake!) I hit serious war weariness in only 3 turns, and I had police stations and the Universal Suffrage built! I re-loaded my save and went on a revolution first. 7 turns! Ouch.

    And you do NOT want this to happen when you need a war to stop an AI in the space race! I change governments more than ever now. Since you actually have to research a lot yourself now, you need to be a republic or democracy in peace. However, you want to be in monarchy if you want to go in a lasting war.

    Religious 1 turn anarchies are awesome. The importance is only greater if you are in a very close war (infantry era, perhaps) that will drag on for a while. And if my democracy started to protest in 3 turns, imagine it without the police station and US!

    If you play very well, you won't need many revolutions. I like changing a lot, so religious suits my playing style better. The cheap temples are a slight culture advantage, but you will really appreciate the cathedrals when you have aquaducts built more often. It's a very powerful trait, even more so when you don't have a lot of luxuries. It happens.
     
  7. Higher Game

    Higher Game National Socialist

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    "But I only change from despotism to monarchy and I build the less temples I can, trying to make my ppl happy with luxuries and marketplace..."

    I can't see how you can keep up your research in monarchy, but you really don't need temples because of your military police. Are you fighting the AIs all the time for techs? If you love war then you don't need religious a lot, because the cheap temples and cathedrals are more useful in a republic.
     
  8. Portuguese

    Portuguese Vassalising Spain

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    I sell techs and keep my research with AIs money... :lol: :lol: :lol:
    I like it so much :lol: :lol: :lol: . I'm bad for the AIs. Poor AIs...
     
  9. Higher Game

    Higher Game National Socialist

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    What difficulty do you play? Keeping up in research is near impossible above monarch difficulty.
     
  10. skaternate

    skaternate The Fuzz

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    jpowers you don't see the great advantage of Mounted Warriors. You see you can beeline it to horseback riding and have an equivalent to a sworsmen on horse. You can not only retreat from battle but a three attack very early can stop most all civs but greece. Build enough of them and you can take over a all your contanent (can't spell) before they even get pikemen.
     
  11. Portuguese

    Portuguese Vassalising Spain

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    Bingo!

    Monarch difficulty :D

    (I hate to see AI cheating as much as in emperor or deity. I just can't stand it!!!)
     
  12. Higher Game

    Higher Game National Socialist

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    I play monarch too. Regent is like an equal match between you and the AI, and you usually win because the AI is dumb. I do play regent, however, if I play a very difficult starting position. I like monarch a lot because it is very even.

    I do not see how you keep up in tech in a monarchy, though. After the recent patch, you need a very, very good starting position and forbidden palace placement to keep up with the AI in the tech race. They share too freely and they don't like trading techs.

    In fact, I remember being even with the AI once. A few turns later, the AI civs had 3 more techs than me. 3 different AIs researched the techs and shared them. I just cannot keep up with that in monarchy, barely in a republic. So I like religious because I can get my research in peace and fight a war longer than 5 turns before the cities shut down.
     
  13. skaternate

    skaternate The Fuzz

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    Higher game. In oreder to surpass the AI in tech's you must be larger than the AI, and try to learn techs that the AI don't find as priorities. This way you can trade one tech for every tech they are ahead. Also you should build libraries in your cities and marketplaces. This allows for maximum growth for greater monetart use. And try not to put anything but maybe a temple in your province all corrupt towns. This way you aren't paying out for no gain. If you pay close attention to the way you leearn your techs you can keep ahead of the AI on emporer easily. Key point never learn something that takes 40 turns to learn. Case in point. you are have the choice of learning Iron working in 24 or Warrior code in ten. You choose to learn Iron working and manage to learn it in say 20 turns due to civ growth, then you manage learn warrior code in 6. so you manage to learn in a total of 26 turns. Instead you could have learned warrior code first and manage to learn it in 8 turns due to civ growth, and then you learn iron working in 16. With a total time learned only being 24 turns for the same knowledges. Now you just managed to save to turns of knowledge, mulitply this by an entire game and the advantage is priceless, or you can just trade with the ai all your resources/luxeries and still wind up ahead.
     
  14. Archer 007

    Archer 007 Rebirth

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    Immortals. They are great attackers and can help gain a large lead. :frog:
     
  15. Mad Bomber

    Mad Bomber Commander

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    My choice of UU has to be the Panzer


    Most people don't care for the Panzer because the attack and defense values are unchanged. They are wrong in thinking that its pretty much the same as a normal tank. The key to the panzers value over the normal tank is its increased movement. The increase to three movement points with the Blitz feature allows you to attack more times per turn, defeat more enemies, and defeat an opponet quicker than with normal tanks, also given that Germany is militaristic this means Many, Many elite units and elite units leads to great leaders. Panzers Rule!:tank:
     
  16. Higher Game

    Higher Game National Socialist

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    The panzer is only 3 or 4 techs away from modern armor. A UU you can upgrade to is better, like horsemen to rider or samurai. I think the panzer is very overestimated.
     
  17. :)civ2

    :)civ2 Uber Commie

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    I love the F15 because of the bombard and i like panzers (I like modern times the most.)
     
  18. skaternate

    skaternate The Fuzz

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    I think the panze is great but on any landmass if I am going for conquest I will have it done before they even come into play. Cavalry just rock!
     
  19. MummyMan

    MummyMan Chieftain

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    Bowman or immortal. They both rock.
     
  20. jpowers

    jpowers Chieftain

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    Bowmen are amazing early two-way fighters. Of course, you're pretty much locked in to a cultural victory with the Babylonians.
     

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