Poor, poor rapists... WTH!?

[ace99]

CNN, MSNBC and Fox all broadcasted her name. They're not THAT inhibited.

 

[caketastydelish]

CNN, MSNBC and Fox all broadcasted her name. They're not THAT inhibited.

In that case CNN has no excuse. And the idea that CNN has a 'PC' (politically correct) bias as pointed out by many conservatives is complete garbage.

 

[Farm Boy]

CNN, MSNBC and Fox all broadcasted her name. They're not THAT inhibited.

Then they had consent in this case to use her name. When and if she wants to provide more information then they almost certainly will give it air time so long as the issue is still holding the attention of the ADHD news cycle.

 

[civ_king]

Where does this happen, exactly? As a white male living in mittelamerika, I've never felt particularly marginalized. That's anecdotal, yes, but "too often" I think suggests that there is a comparably bulky subset of issues about which nothing is done - but of all the things I can compare white male problems to, I think the problems faced by women and minorities of all kind are more numerous and certainly more ignored.

Check your white middle class hetero privilege at the door mate.

Well even among western countries there are all sorts of problems but that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of the problems occurring in other places. Many parts of the world have starvation on a regular basis, disease, lack of water, local warfare, etc. I could go on and on. Just because the world might be 'nicer than ever before' doesn't mean we shouldn't be aware of our problems and try to improve things.

Why do those 'feed the children that are starving in a third world country' commercials make you feel guilty? Because they're completely true, and you realize your life is very privileged compared to theirs.

Regardless of how good the world may be, we should always be working to improve it. Because you see, the world is either getting better or it is getting worse. It does not stay the same. I for one want to see the world getting better.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/the-white-savior-industrial-complex/254843/

Slander.




Wrong again. I think rape culture is a real thing, and is a problem that needs to be addressed.

That is a libelous accusation, Owen would never make a verbal accusation through a written medium.

It's a movement which belittles the feminist movement and ignores the pressing fact that, hey, women are still unequal. Bbbbut there's stigma about being a male nurse!. Please




You make the same random prattlings about how men get raped too followed by an entirely unrelated rant about suicide. I read wrote. Your argument was essentially if 1 then a ergo .9999999....



1) that has no relevance to the issue of rape culture. 2) your argument really doesn't follow.

Is it wrong to point out the glass cellar when the glass ceiling is discussed?

Here's a problem.

Men commit suicide more often than women. A majority of suicides are men. That is not controversial.

But that does not in itself indicate that suicide effects men to a correspondingly disproportionate degree. All it indicates is that more suicides (or attempted suicides) involve men. It could in principle be the case that suicidal thoughts effect more women, and that the majority of people affected by suicidal thoughts are women, but they are for whatever reason less likely to succumb to those thoughts.

Presuming that when we say something is a "men's issue" or a "women's issue", we mean that it effects living men or women, then it would have to be demonstrated that suicide effects either of those genders to a significantly disproportionate extent, not simply that it kills them, and that isn't something that we have any solid reason to believe is the case.


(All this, of course, assumes that statistical prevalence is enough to gender an issue, of which I'm quite sceptical. But it's sufficient to point out that even accepting this premise, CTD is drawing spurious conclusions.)

They aren't more likely to succumb, they more more likely to fail.

Aren't you ignoring attempted suicide?

(Don't know if this has been brought up, backtracked only a page or so)

Most cases I've known of regarding attempted suicide for women were either a case of them being too afraid of pain to successfully kill themselves or they just wanted attention. For males on the other hand it tended to be gun jamming, can't aim to kill themselves if they tried, pathetic at tying nooses, underestimated distance need to fall to die, didn't drink enough pesticides etc.

 

[caketastydelish]

The problem is not the lack of coverage with the victim, it's the 'sympathetic' coverage with the criminals.

It's ok if they didn't mention her name, the problem is the journalist were clearly siding with the rapists. They shouldn't have done that.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Furthermore, I have yet to see a high school coach who was above average when it came to teaching. There are probably a few, but there are certainly not very many of them based on my own personal experiences. This is particularly true if they majored in some absurd major like phys ed instead of a legitimate academic subject. I certainly didn't ever have one teaching an honors class that I attended, or any class for that matter when there were no honors classes. They seemed to teach the classes where there were a lot of jocks and other students who had difficulties passing for some odd reason.

I had a wrestling coach teach my AP European History class (and the IB European History class that was in with us too) one semester. (We were on lock scheduling, so it was a one semester class. I was supposed to have AP Economics with him the other semester of senior year, but not enough people signed up for it.) He seemed to know his stuff during his lectures, but had a tendency to spend only about half of the time in the classroom and almost half of that time in the back whittling while either ignoring or insulting us. (He apparently made more money online selling wooden sculptures, mostly of Santa Claus, than he did as a teacher and coach.)

I assumed that we'd all be really far behind, but somehow we finished early. I got a 5 on that AP exam, and I believe I heard that everyone in the class did well enough to get college credit.

 

[Farm Boy]

Why on earth would we look at this as if it has a "side?" Did anyone at any point actually argue that what the convicted did was acceptable? This isn't the adversarial criminal trial anymore. That's decided and the finders of fact and law have spoken. Now we all lose. Everyone involved. Everyone impacted. Everyone witnessing. All loss.

 

[caketastydelish]

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/the-white-savior-industrial-complex/254843/

Some problems.

First of all, I'm not even white. Second, it wouldn't matter if all of the people that are living in the worst parts of the world are white and the people living in the best parts are black.

It just happens to be the other way around. No this does not mean whites or even people in western countries are 'better' than people living in developing countries. It just means that the people living in the rich part of the world, regardless of their skin color, should be helping people in the most poor part of the world.

And I've already known the Kony thing was a scam long ago.

 

[caketastydelish]

Why on earth would we look at this as if it has a "side?" Did anyone at any point actually argue that what the convicted did was acceptable? This isn't the adversarial criminal trial anymore. That's decided and the finders of fact and law have spoken. Now we all lose. Everyone involved. Everyone impacted. Everyone witnessing. All loss.

The problem is they were focusing on the rapists loss rather than the victims loss.

 

[Farm Boy]

The problem is they were focusing on the rapists loss rather than the victims loss.

Ok, I'm not going to watch a 6 minute video about sexual assault while I'm at work and I'll concede any point I have if this blip is insane. I see zero problem(in general) with a story about society's massive failure in regards to these young men whom we allowed to become what they have become.

 

[caketastydelish]

Ok, I'm not going to watch a 6 minute video about sexual assault while I'm at work and I'll concede any point I have if this blip is insane. I see zero problem(in general) with a story about society's massive failure in regards to these young men whom we allowed to become what they have become.

As Downtown has pointed out there could be an explanation for their actions, but that isn't a justification.

 

[Farm Boy]

Justification? Really, did they take it there? Did the news story say that the sexual assault was justified?

 

[Zack]

Justification? Really, did they take it there? Did the news story say that the sexual assault was justified?

To be fair, the way she was dressed... man, she was asking for it.

Spoiler :

That was sarcasm, don't infract me or anything.

 

[Crezth]

Some people have this perception that because men are over-represented politically that men rule collectively which is simply not true...

You are very much missing my point. There's simply no way you can slice it where the much more numerous and much more serious issues women face see more attention than the issues that men face. Yes, the conscription abuse is a problem - but it doesn't compare in scope or in scale to the genital mutilation issue.

You're looking at one admittedly well-oppressed group (lower-class males) and comparing it to an extremely and universally oppressed group (females) on the level, and that just doesn't work.

 

[NedimNapoleon]

So its sad because their jock lives have been destroyed? I mean just because he can kick a ball he should be pitied on? I mean he wasn't close to finding the cure for AIDS, so he deserves some pity.....what is wrong with society? Its the same with pop stars......

 

[mrt144]

No excuses for rape. The apologetics in this thread are ridiculous.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I feel like an inordinate amount of this thread is being spent explaining pretty basic things to you.

Well, at least we know how seriously to take your pronouncements in future.

The post addresses somebody who thinks "We're a Winner" is much of a muchness with the Horst-Wessel-Lied. What do you expect?

And Public Enemy are basically the same as Skrewdriver, yeah, we've established that you're a fellow of what I will politely call "idiosyncratic" opinions.

I'm saying that you're a crank. Has that been less than clear?

That was the point. You whined about feminism for like 10 pages in one thread. You're still saying exactly the same things today, so I hardly think it's "old hat". I don't keep grudges, I'm just pointing out that you're a misogynist and talking at length with you about why rape culture is a Thing is an entirely pointless endeavor.

Exactly, that was my point. Since you aren't crusading about this issue in other places, why arbitrarily bring it up here?

Oh snarky! I think I can do snarky.

No, that didn't occur to me at all. Why thank you for pointing that illusive fact out to me.

*looks left* "Hey! Is that an exit?"

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[Zelig]

Well I can get behind torching the entire town too in that case.

That seems cruel and unusual if you torch the people with the town, pointless otherwise.

Just deport them all to Somalia.

Why do people care what the media says anymore?

The media has the ability to generate sucky CFC threads.

Furthermore, I have yet to see a high school coach who was above average when it came to teaching. There are probably a few, but there are certainly not very many of them based on my own personal experiences. This is particularly true if they majored in some absurd major like phys ed instead of a legitimate academic subject. I certainly didn't ever have one teaching an honors class that I attended, or any class for that matter when there were no honors classes. They seemed to teach the classes where there were a lot of jocks and other students who had difficulties passing for some odd reason.

My karate/wrestling coach taught math and computers. (From knowing him, I assume well, though I never actually had him as a teacher.)

For what it's worth, nearly every football coach in Ohio has a Masters Degree, since nearly all of them are teach high school.

If you force everyone in a particular profession in a particular location to get masters degrees, it makes the degree seem rather pointless to me unless there's a measurable improvement in the results of that profession over areas where everyone has only undergraduate degrees.

First of all, I hope it is clear that no penetration of a vagina by a penis occurred here. People keep using the word "rape" to discuss what occurred here when it is actually the crime of sexual assault by the definition used in most places.

Well here "rape" isn't a crime, (forcible penetration is sexual assault) so I'm not sure why being clear on non-penetration is particularly relevant.

 

[woody60707]

No excuses for rape. The apologetics in this thread are ridiculous.

(not so) funnily enough, many injustices have had this logic behind them. "Kill them, no excuses".

 

[El_Machinae]

So its sad because their jock lives have been destroyed? I mean just because he can kick a ball he should be pitied on? I mean he wasn't close to finding the cure for AIDS, so he deserves some pity.....what is wrong with society? Its the same with pop stars......

Hopefully they study in prison, so that they can then do some intellectual tasks when they get out.