Pornography for 14 year olds

[Angst]

I don't think sexuality is bad. I think it's a beautiful, natural thing. Your classification of my beliefs as such, is a strawman.

Pornography, though is a highly demeaning and unnatural thing. It demotes the inherent dignity of the person in order to exploit biological arousal from other people. It also gravely dehumanizes what should be an act of love and turns it into an act of hedonism. People who participate in pornography and prostitution either do so because their financial troubles make them think they have to, in which case the creators of pornography are exploiting their bodies for profit; or, because their childhoods were marked with deep psychological problems, that once more the creators of the material are ready to deepen and exploit for a buck. It's a horrible business and it saddens me that sexual arousal holds such a sway over our society that it's a nearly indestructible industry now.

I don't see how that counterargue the OP's opinion, as you're specifically thrashing pornography as it is, and the OP actually promotes something vastly different.

I have not encountered much research to suggest that an addiction to video games at an early age results in severe psychological trauma, or that the people who make video games are having their fundamental disorders or contextual difficulties being severely exploited or deepened for cash.

Did pornography give me trauma, again?

 

[LightSpectra]

I don't see how that counterargue the OP's opinion, as you're specifically thrashing pornography as it is, and the OP actually promotes something vastly different.

My point being that pornography is a despicable thing, and if somebody wants to personally support it once they're 18, well, that's currently within the laws of our society so they can do that. But trying to brainwash children into accepting such a warped view of human sexuality is horrifying, and the fact that people are nonchalantly advocating it is greatly saddening to me.

Did pornography give me trauma, again?

Do you deny that the vast majority of sex offenders were either sexually abused themselves, or became addicted to pornography at very early ages?

 

[ParkCungHee]

Do you deny that the vast majority of sex offenders were either sexually abused themselves, or became addicted to pornography at very early ages?

I think you'll find the vast majority of presidents, humanitarians and nobel prize winners also enjoyed pornography as young men.

 

[Karalysia]

Do you deny that the vast majority of sex offenders were either sexually abused themselves, or became addicted to pornography at very early ages?

Citation needed.

 

[Erik Mesoy]

I think you'll find the vast majority of presidents, humanitarians and nobel prize winners also enjoyed pornography as young men.

"Also enjoyed" when he said "addicted to" seems like you didn't quite read his post...

 

[Angst]

My point being that pornography is a despicable thing, and if somebody wants to personally support it once they're 18, well, that's currently within the laws of our society so they can do that. But trying to brainwash children into accepting such a warped view of human sexuality is horrifying, and the fact that people are nonchalantly advocating it is greatly saddening to me.

Again, you didn't get the OP. The argument was to prevent the warped view and to promote a more healthy 'sort' of pornography; sexual scenes that weren't pornographic to be more exact.

Do you deny that the vast majority of sex offenders were either sexually abused themselves, or became addicted to pornography at very early ages?

Ehm, to the first part, no. But please define 'very early ages'. And 'addicted to'? Perhaps you might understand it goes the other way around. Sex offenders have always existed - and their numbers haven't exactly risen because of pornography. I'm pretty sure they were more prominent earlier in history, when religion (Hence: anti-sexuality) had the high seat.

EDIT: Actually, "the vast majority" shouldn't be dependant on either.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Porn depicting those over the age of consent should be legal for those over the age of consent.


Where prostitution is illegal, recording it should not make it legal. Except in places where prostitution is legal, only free porn should be permitted.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

I have not encountered much research to suggest that an addiction to video games at an early age results in severe psychological trauma, or that the people who make video games are having their fundamental disorders or contextual difficulties being severely exploited or deepened for cash.

Show me some research papers to critique. Yeah, it isn't enough to look at a conclusion. The methodology and results have to be criticized.

 

[ParkCungHee]

"Also enjoyed" when he said "addicted to" seems like you didn't quite read his post...

The ability to get "addicted" to it then, seems to be a sign of prior deviancy then, doesn't it?

 

[Karalysia]

How do you get addicted to porn anyway? What would you classify an addiction to porn? Watching it every day? Multiple times a day? Because frankly that's describing every college student ever.

 

[Traitorfish]

Brave New World was a dystopia, not an instruction manual...

On the other hand, rather the same can be said of 1984, can it not?

Where prostitution is illegal, recording it should not make it legal.

That assumes that the commercial transaction in which a pornographic performer participates is identical to that of a prostitute, which it is not. A prositute is paid to have sex with a client, while a pornographic performer is paid to engage in sexual acitivity with another performer; the former is a service, the latter is a performance. Similarly, the commercial contract engaged in by, say, a tv chef is different than that engaged in by a restraunt chef. The former is paid for a performance, the latter for a service; that the central act is the same does not effect that.

 

[otago]

Are you attempting to patronize me?
Are you attempting to state that I need help if I read your threads, but if you read LightSpectra's posts he needs to put up warnings?
I read your threads for amusement and to get an idea of what I should disagree with, because you are almost uniformly mistaken on the issues you care about enough to mention.

The English spelling of patronise is thus, patronise a Norwegian, now that would be cruel dear boy.

 

[Dachs]

The English spelling of patronise is thus, patronise a Norwegian, now that would be cruel dear boy.

It was big of you to admit it.

 

[downtown]

i'm really not sure what "problem" is supposed to be fixed here. We already have sex education classes, and it isn't like porn is hard to find or anything. How would we measure success? A drop in teen birthrates? Rape? Divorce? Does anybody seriously think that the government *production* and distribution of porno would fix those problems?

If those aren't the problems, what are we trying to measure here? Whats the point?

 

[civ_king]

I'm 17 and I have never looked at porn... It seems I am very counter culture...

 

[Squarg]

I'm sorry, but did anyone else get that they are trying to nationalize the porn industry?

 

[Yared]

The English spelling of patronise is thus, patronise a Norwegian, now that would be cruel dear boy.

Main Entry: pa·tron·ize
Pronunciation: \ˈpā-trə-ˌnīz, ˈpa-\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): pa·tron·ized; pa·tron·iz·ing
Date: 1589

1 : to act as patron of : provide aid or support for
2 : to adopt an air of condescension toward : treat haughtily or coolly
3 : to be a frequent or regular customer or client of

— pa·tron·i·za·tion \ˌpā-trə-nə-ˈzā-shən, pa-\ noun

— pa·tron·iz·ing·ly \ˈpā-trə-ˌnī-ziŋ-lē, ˈpa-\ adverb

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Patronize

Verb

* S: (v) sponsor, patronize, patronise (assume sponsorship of)
* S: (v) patronize, patronise, shop, shop at, buy at, frequent, sponsor (do one's shopping at; do business with; be a customer or client of)
* S: (v) patronize, patronise, condescend (treat condescendingly)
* S: (v) patronize, patronise, patronage, support, keep going (be a regular customer or client of) "We patronize this store"; "Our sponsor kept our art studio going for as long as he could"

Adjective

* S: (adj) arch, condescending, patronizing, patronising ((used of behavior or attitude) characteristic of those who treat others with condescension)

WordNet home page

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=patronizing

So, he is correct in his spelling.

 

[onedreamer]

Possibly. But my point is that ponography is inevitable. So in the midst of all the filth, why not promote(I'm not saying in school, that'd be awkward) something natural and realistic.

exactly: pornography isn't realistic. That's my objection.

I find it rather sad that you seem to believe sexuality to be something inherently bad, compareable to something like mass murder....or maybe you were just setting up a strawman

sexuality and pornography arne't synonyms. Talk about diverting the topic, which you like so much. He hasn't spoken against sexuality but against pornography, and didn't say it's inherently bad but that it is not realistic.

 

[Grisu]

I don't think sexuality is bad. I think it's a beautiful, natural thing. Your classification of my beliefs as such, is a strawman.

ok, my use of sexuality was wrong. still you did compare pornography with the texas chainsaw massacre, how come? if it's not a strawman then at least it's a ridiculous hyperbole.

Pornography, though is a highly demeaning and unnatural thing.

No, it isn't.

It demotes the inherent dignity of the person in order to exploit biological arousal from other people. It also gravely dehumanizes what should be an act of love and turns it into an act of hedonism. People who participate in pornography and prostitution either do so because their financial troubles make them think they have to, in which case the creators of pornography are exploiting their bodies for profit; or, because their childhoods were marked with deep psychological problems, that once more the creators of the material are ready to deepen and exploit for a buck. It's a horrible business and it saddens me that sexual arousal holds such a sway over our society that it's a nearly indestructible industry now.

Don't you think it's rather arrogant to assume you know the motive of everybody in porn? There's countless types of porn and while what you say sure is true of some brands of porn, it certainly isn't for all....

 

[azzaman333]

I'm 17 and I have never looked at porn... It seems I am very counter culture...

Liar.