Post Vietnamese War Viet Communism...

[Alpha Killer II]

Does anyone have any information about the Vietnamese Government after the Vietnam War? I tried looking for information about that but never found any help

 

[Bugfatty300]

Does anyone have any information about the Vietnamese Government after the Vietnam War? I tried looking for information about that but never found any help

The DRV rounded up and murdered about 100,000 people. Probably even more if the US didn't make a deal with the DRV to release all former RVN officials and soldiers later on and allow them immigrate to the states.

They invaded Cambodia in 1978 and fought brief a war with China in the 1980s.

Since then Vietnam hasn't done anything of much interest.

 

[Alpha Killer II]

ok, thanks!

 

[silver 2039]

Of late they have been more or less following China's path of opening up to foreign investment, allowing capitalistic enterprise, while keeping a degree of censorship and government control. There are a lot of cell phone users and such there now.

 

[El Justo]

yes, they've liberalized their economy a good deal since the 70s. don't be fooled though; they're still an autocratic state. but they, like china, recoginize the impact of globalization and the need to develop a national economy. iirc, they have one of the fastest developing economies in all of asia.

as a post-script, i should mention that they've been, to my knowledge, cooperating w/ MIA-POW groups in helping to find and locate the remains of soldiers who died or went missing during the war.

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

as a post-script, i should mention that they've been, to my knowledge, cooperating w/ MIA-POW groups in helping to find and locate the remains of soldiers who died or went missing during the war.

Think I have a link to an online petition to the Vietnamese Embassy (or something) demanding the release of any POW/MIA's that they may have or know of. I'd have to look for it on my computer though.

 

[El Justo]

i think that the cooperation thing was part of slick willie's warming of relations back in the late 90s. i mean, how else would a republican congress have let him go there and do that all of that grandstanding?

additionally, i believe vietnam has some human rights violations issues as well (similar to china).

 

[Tee Kay]

After the war the North tried to control the south and impose communism (though there was no bloodbath like in Cambodia a lot of people were sent to reeducation camps. Those with special links to government or landlords were usually jailed or shot). Of course it didn't work and there was harsh conditions in both the south and the north. Vietnam expelled about 200,000 Chinese in South Vietnam and invaded Cambodia in 1978 after the Khmer Rogue did some cross-border skirmishes and in doing so the Vietnamese ended the genocide there. Vietnam was rewarded with international sanctions and an invasion by China in 1979. It was only in the 1980s that the government took hint that communism doesn't work and adopted Doi Moi (a form of capitalist oligarchy also practised in China). Since then it's been one of the fastest growing economies in Asia, if not the world. Generally Vietnam's human rights records have been better than those of, say, China or Cuba but it's still an autocratic state where opposition can get you jailed.

 

[Alpha Killer II]

Tell me, why would...
#1- Vietnam invade Cambodia since they are Communists too?
#2- Why would China invade Vietnam since they are "Communists" too?
IT MAKES NO SENSE!

 

[Underdawg]

Tell me, why would...
#1- Vietnam invade Cambodia since they are Communists too?
#2- Why would China invade Vietnam since they are "Communists" too?
IT MAKES NO SENSE!

It's not as simple as "Hey we're all communists! Let's all get along together!" They were totalitarian regimes trying to keep their power.

Vietnam invaded Cambodia in the late 1970s because the newly installed Khmer Rouge government was hostile to the Vietnamese one (it doesn't matter if both are socialist states or not).

China invaded Vietnam because of worsening relations due to the Sino-Soviet split and the Soviets ending up supporting Vietnam as well as Vietnam invading Cambodia (which ties in to the Cambodian-Vietnamese War).

 

[Alpha Killer II]

It's not as simple as "Hey we're all communists! Let's all get along together!" They were totalitarian regimes trying to keep their power.

Ignorance, one of the most deadliest weapons used by man

 

[Tee Kay]

Tell me, why would...
#1- Vietnam invade Cambodia since they are Communists too?
#2- Why would China invade Vietnam since they are "Communists" too?
IT MAKES NO SENSE!

#1 - Forget that nonsense about socialist solidarity. China and Vietnam are both communists. They also have a history of bitter conflict stretching back a thousand years. Even today the Chinese close the border with Vietnam from time to time, or makes it difficult to cross. Vietnam was in the Soviet camp, which was that time China's number one enemy. It attacked Cambodia, a country in the Sino camp. The Chinese invasion also receive the support of the US which was at the time very bitter about the defeat in the Vietnam War and China's ally.

#2 - The Khmer Rogue didn't really like the Vietnamese communists thinking they're the big guys in South East Asia as far as communism is concerned. While Pathet Lao bowed to Vietnamese domination the Khmer Rogue didn't. They periodically made border incursions into Vietnam. Vietnam for their part see Cambodia as their traditional zone of influence. Plus, Cambodia is on the Sino camp while Vietnam and Laos in the Soviet camp. It's easy to see how war can erupt.

 

[Kraznaya]

I think its worthy to note that Democratic Kampuchea (Cambodia) was a totally insane and brutal nation led by Pol Pot. His ideology was too radical for the Soviets (who Vietnam was aligned with) but China, who was pretty isolated on the international sphere, sought him out and allied with him. However, when the United States and China realized that helping insane genocidal maniacs would hurt Vietnam- and the Soviets by proxy- they decided to aid Pol Pot indirectly. It didn't really matter though- Pol Pot had destroyed all the infrastructure of his own country and >1/3 of its population, and Vietnam swept in and installed a Soviet government. Afterwards, China invaded Vietnam but was held off after a short and brutal war, preserving Vietnam's newly won independence. While there was a totalitarian regime in Vietnam that reflected the brutality of the 2 decades plus war fought there, its worthy to note that the wars they fought were mostly on the just side.

 

[Underdawg]

I think its worthy to note that Democratic Kampuchea (Cambodia) was a totally insane and brutal nation led by Pol Pot. His ideology was too radical for the Soviets (who Vietnam was aligned with) but China, who was pretty isolated on the international sphere, sought him out and allied with him. However, when the United States and China realized that helping insane genocidal maniacs would hurt Vietnam- and the Soviets by proxy- they decided to aid Pol Pot indirectly. It didn't really matter though- Pol Pot had destroyed all the infrastructure of his own country and >1/3 of its population, and Vietnam swept in and installed a Soviet government. Afterwards, China invaded Vietnam but was held off after a short and brutal war, preserving Vietnam's newly won independence. While there was a totalitarian regime in Vietnam that reflected the brutality of the 2 decades plus war fought there, its worthy to note that the wars they fought were mostly on the just side.

Too bad they just eradicated their educated intellectual population, holding back their development for decades (which is starting to pick up only recently).

But yes, they did a good job maintaining their sovereignty and keeping out of China's sphere of influence.

 

[Kraznaya]

It didn't exactly help that their "intellectuals" had already left the country due to to 20+ years of war fought there.

 

[Alpha Killer II]

Spoiler :

I think its worthy to note that Democratic Kampuchea (Cambodia) was a totally insane and brutal nation led by Pol Pot. His ideology was too radical for the Soviets (who Vietnam was aligned with) but China, who was pretty isolated on the international sphere, sought him out and allied with him. However, when the United States and China realized that helping insane genocidal maniacs would hurt Vietnam- and the Soviets by proxy- they decided to aid Pol Pot indirectly. It didn't really matter though- Pol Pot had destroyed all the infrastructure of his own country and >1/3 of its population, and Vietnam swept in and installed a Soviet government. Afterwards, China invaded Vietnam but was held off after a short and brutal war, preserving Vietnam's newly won independence. While there was a totalitarian regime in Vietnam that reflected the brutality of the 2 decades plus war fought there, its worthy to note that the wars they fought were mostly on the just side.

Pol-Pot was a idiot, what the hell was he thinking sending out all the people in his own cities to work in work camps? Only thing I think Pol-Pot did well was make the children lose all attachment to their family/parents

 

[Newbunkle]

Pol-Pot was a idiot, what the hell was he thinking sending out all the people in his own cities to work in work camps? Only thing I think Pol-Pot did well was make the children lose all attachment to their family/parents

No, even that was stupid.

 

[Alpha Killer II]

No, even that was stupid.

Attachments to someone helps contributes to their weaknesses, thus destroying all ur attachment to someone will make u feel better in the end, u wont mourn whenever they are gone, and u will be one step closer to being stronger inside
(Callousness is what I think u call it)

 

[Traitorfish]

Attachments to someone helps contributes to their weaknesses, thus destroying all ur attachment to someone will make u feel better in the end, u wont mourn whenever they are gone, and u will be one step closer to being stronger inside
(Callousness is what I think u call it)

And on what grounds is this "strength" a positive thing or this "weakness" a negative thing? Interpersonal bonds are the foundation of socialism, so for you to reject them in it's name seems ridiculously hypocritical.

 

[Alpha Killer II]

And on what grounds is this "strength" a positive thing or this "weakness" a negative thing?

The "weakness" might actually devastate a person or literally lead to their own demise, The "strength" helps prevents that

Interpersonal bonds are the foundation of socialism

Equality, is the foundation of Socialism