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Post your worst random map start screenshots

Discussion in 'Civ3 - General Discussions' started by robcheng, Nov 21, 2003.

  1. robcheng

    robcheng Sleep-deprived Addict

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    With some people complaining about all the bad starts, I thought it would be a good time for the worst start screenshot thread. Here's my first one:
     

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  2. SuperBeaverInc.

    SuperBeaverInc. Groucho

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    Isn't this lovely
     
  3. Mobilize

    Mobilize Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

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    Darn, right before I went online I just had the worse starting position as the Celts. I had started on some desert surrounded all over my jungle.. on an island. It was horrible. The only resources I had were gems and there was a small patch of grassland with wheat. It was miserable.

    I tried to actually survive through it but I was growing way to slowly because I had no production, my food wasn't all that bad though. I ran into a lot of barbarians so I just threw in the towel with commiting a mass suicide of all my units and then annilating my capitol.

    I bet you can relate with your second screenshot.
     
  4. Cornucopia

    Cornucopia Chieftain

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    @Beaver:

    What's so bad about this starting position? You have two luxuries in short range, a river and grassland tiles. Seems to me that further in the west there should be more grassland. Additionally the desert in the south contains a river too (and two wheat resources).

    Overall i think its an average starting position (and a quite good one for agriculture civs)!

    Cornucopia
     
  5. Gogf

    Gogf Indescribable

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    To the east there is probably jungle to the sea. Not so bad in the late game, but this can be a killer in the early game. He is surrounded my march, and I do not think that incense are the best resource to be near... Of course, as the Maya being near the desert isn't as bad as with non-agricultural civs, but it is still not a very good starting location.
     
  6. Colonel Kraken

    Colonel Kraken Deity

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    :lol: Robcheng, that's pretty freakin' bad! :lol: That's what I call a "do-over".
     
  7. Master Shake

    Master Shake Warlord

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    Wow, I wish I had saved shots of what happened to me yesterday.

    Three times in a row I got started on a small (room for two cities) island. I tried to make a go of it the first two times, but when I finally made contact with other civs they were so far ahead of me it was just silly. I tried catching up but it was really no use.

    I was the romans and needed iron badly and there was of course none on or near my island when I finally got iron-working. I would have had to conquer some cities from a weak position, using archers against swordsmen, hoplites and numidian mercenaries.

    I finally decided it was a no-go.

    And got very similar starting points on the next two attempts. Grr.

    -mS

    PS OTOH the day before yesterday I got an island start on a room-for-five island as the Carthaginians. I started way behind but my sea-faring trait did give me an advantage in being able to contact people early and being able to trade lots of communications and world maps when such became available.

    I managed to make a super-science city and spent most of my time from one step behind to one step ahead of the other most advanced civ, and made lots of money trading techs with them.

    By the end I was able to ratchet my science all the way up and still turn a hefty profit. (BTW there seems to be a bug in the income algorithm, or possibly just with the income display. Anyone encountered anything in that area?)

    And I managed to research Fission first as a result, and get a nice jump-start on the UN. Had I not built the UN there would have been no hope for me sicne I wouldn't have had a vote, since my military was very small--just enough to defend myself if need be--and since I didn't have enough cities to have any kind of culture lead. But I did build the UN, and got three out of five votes, and won.

    I know some people think a diplomatic victory is cheap, but I felt I came by it rightly in this game. I think it is great that there is a way to play as a small, militarily weak civ but with lots of science and/or culture, and through diplomatic and trade savvy to be able to finesse a win without being able to win wars.

    (I had one early war with the Arabs in an attempt to control some iron off my own shores, but I made a *stupid* error (basically a typing mistake) and left my iron city undefended at exactly the wrong time. I lost that early struggle, and from then on I was never involved in a single war.)
     
  8. capslock

    capslock Emperor

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    Hmmm...bad starting locations...I play epic multiplayer games, and I have yet to get a good starting location. In our most recent game, I started on the coast, with room for two cities on some grassland, surrounded by a vast jungle far inland. There were 4 other civs on the continent (2 human, 2 AI) so all the good land beyond the jungle was sucked up before I had a chance to get any of it. Plus I have no iron, so it is very difficult to conquer any of the good land because I can only produce sucky units very slowly. This start was not quite as bad as another start in a game that we eventually abandoned. My capital city was surrounded entirely by junge (except for one hill) and the jungle spread out in all directions for a long way.
     
  9. General Porkins

    General Porkins World Champ Mountain Man

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    These were actually my starting locations...let it be known that Capslock is actually the luckiest player ever and has yet to have a starting location that is not amazing
     
  10. capslock

    capslock Emperor

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    Only in multiplayer games. I was wondering, is there any connection between who hosts a multiplayer game and who gets the first/best starting location on the map?
     
  11. Rickhan

    Rickhan Chieftain

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    If only i knew this thread exsisted yesterday.

    My terrible start, in multiplay, consisted of settler in the middle of a desert surrounded by mountains to the north and west.
    I requested a restart immediatly.

    I have seen the AI start on a 1 square island. I'll see about putting that screenshot up.
     
  12. General Porkins

    General Porkins World Champ Mountain Man

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    I dont know if hosting has anything to do with it or not, but I am pretty sure there is a direct correlation between being Capslock and getting an excellent starting location
     
  13. Enkidu Warrior

    Enkidu Warrior Ultramagnetic

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    My terrible start location was actually my choice - I'm playing as England on the world map. It's a lot harder than I remember in Vanilla now that the Earth is a bit more full. I'm heading for a culture victory in London. I have 6 cities in all. I'm doing well in the tech race, only Egypt and France are keeping up. I'm doing my best to stay peaceful, but Egypt just declared war and Spain and Germany joined them shortly after that. I have no army to speak of, but my fledgling fleet of Man-O-Wars should prevent any troops from reaching my territory. In order to get revenge on my enemies I've enlisted the help of the Russians, Zululand and France to do the fighting for me. Hopefully having my main competitors at war will allow me to get all the important culture wonders in London (I had to scrape to get Bach and Shakespeare both in London).
     
  14. Master Shake

    Master Shake Warlord

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    Can you tell me how to play on an Earth map with civs in their "real-life" start locations?

    Thank you...

    -mS
     
  15. Enkidu Warrior

    Enkidu Warrior Ultramagnetic

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    Go to this page:

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1382126#post1382126

    Download the map there and put it in the scenario folder in your Conquests directory. All the start locations are placed, HOWEVER, to make them work you'll need to go into the editor and re-place the start positions for the seafaring civs so that they are on a coast square. If you don't it messes up the start locations for these civs (they swap with another civ that is next to the ocean).

    Also note that this map is huge, and if you play with a lot of civs it goes really slow. There are smaller world maps to be found.

    Feel free to ask for more help if I haven't been clear enough (just got back from the pub.:crazyeye: )
     
  16. Mongoloid Cow

    Mongoloid Cow Great Khan

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    Go into the Civ 3 Creation and Customisation forum, then go into User-Created Maps. Then just browse through and download the Earth maps you want. Just make sure you download the map which matches your version - Vanilla Civ 3, PTW or Conquests.
     
  17. Doc Tsiolkovski

    Doc Tsiolkovski Deity

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  18. robcheng

    robcheng Sleep-deprived Addict

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    Here's Doc's ugly start in-line:
     
  19. SuperBeaverInc.

    SuperBeaverInc. Groucho

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    Ouch, that makes the original start location look amazing :lol:
     
  20. Stefanskantine

    Stefanskantine Angry Partisan

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    I was beginning to wonder exactly the same thing. Has anyone else experienced this in epic multiplayer games? I want to host the next one.
     

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