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Potential Leader Addition

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall: Europe' started by MalayanGamer, Aug 1, 2020.

  1. MalayanGamer

    MalayanGamer Warlord

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    So a couple days ago i replied to an old thread discussing a RFCE Leader. So i decide to make a chart for a potential leader for a civ (+ bonus civ such as Lombardy and Egypt.)

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    I also use an Potrait for a leader that doesn't have a Leaderhead art yet.

    So feel free to discuss anything.
     
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  2. AbsintheRed

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    Good to see/find most of the LH art in one place.
    Thanks for collecting them! :)

    I mentioned in the other leader thread that I already plan to add new leaders and to replace a couple of the currently included ones.
    I guess this is as good place as any to post about the exact plans.

    Byzantium:
    starts: 500
    current leaders:
    Justinian - 483-565
    Basil II - 958-1025
    Michael VIII Palaiologos - 1223-1282 - founder of the Palaiologan dynasty, recaptured Constantinople from the crusaders​
    plans/notes:
    probably good enough with the current 3 leaders
    was thinking about a late leader, for respawns, but a very low priority​

    France:
    starts: 500
    current leaders:
    Charlemagne - 742-814
    Philip Augustus - 1165-1223
    Joan of Arc - 1405-1431
    Louis XIV - 1638-1715​
    plans/notes:
    Joan of Arc will be removed
    instead of her:
    either Francis I (1495-1547) - responsible for the French-Habsburgian conflict with his Italian wars and influenced European history massively for the next centuries with his ambitions
    or Charles VII (1403-1461) - the monarch who eventually negotiated an alliance with Burgundy and drove the English out of most of France.​

    Arabia:
    starts: 632
    current leaders:
    Abu Bakr - 573-634
    Harun al-Rashid - 763-809
    Saladin - 1137-1193​
    plans/notes:
    Saladin will be moved to Egypt
    instead of him, I would like to add a late leader, mainly for respawns - any ideas?​

    Bulgaria:
    starts: 680
    current leaders:
    Simeon I - 893-927
    Ivan Asen II - 1218-1241​
    plans/notes:
    the current 2 leaders are fine​

    Cordoba:
    starts: 711
    current leaders:
    Abd-ar-Rahman III - 889-961 - Cordoban
    Mohammed I ibn Nasir - 1191-1273 - Granada, Nasrid dynasty​
    plans/notes:
    the current 2 leaders are probably fine
    was thinking about Muhammad XII (1459-1518) as a late respawn leader, but not a too good leader choice historically, and a 3rd leader here is a very low priority here anyway​

    Venice:
    starts: 810
    current leaders:
    Enrico Dandolo - 1107-1205
    Andrea Gritti - 1455-1538​
    plans/notes:
    a new early leader will be added, probably Pietro II Orseolo (991-1009) or Domenico Selvo (1071-1084) - any better suggestions?​

    Burgundy:
    starts: 843
    current leaders:
    Otto-William - 958-982-1026
    Beatrice II - 1191-1231 - Succeeded father, Otto I in Franche-Comté in 1200, and sister in Palatine de Bourgogne in 1205, reigned jointly in both with husband Duke Otto II de Meran from 1208
    Philip the Bold - 1342-1404​
    plans/notes:
    I'm thinking about changing Otto-William to Richard the Justiciar (858–921) or Rudolph II (880-937) or Conrad I the Peaceful (925-937-993)
    also about changing Philip the Bold to Philip the Good (1419-1467) - During his reign, the Burgundian State reached the apex of its prosperity and prestige and became a leading center of the arts​

    Germany:
    starts: 856
    current leaders:
    Otto I - 912-973
    Barbarossa - 1122-1190​
    plans/notes:
    a late leader is definitely needed here
    while Charles IV (1316-1378) might work - founder of the first German unversity (in Prague 1348) and responsible for the german Golden Bull
    my main candidate is Ferdinand II (1578-1637) - emperor during the first phase of the 30 years war, main protagonist of counter-reformation​

    Novgorod:
    starts: 864
    current leaders:
    Rurik - 830-879
    Alexander Nevsky - 1221-1263
    Marfa Posadnitsa/Boretskaya - 1420-1480​
    plans/notes:
    the current 3 leaders are fine​

    Norway:
    starts: 872
    current leaders:
    Harald Hardrada - 1015-1066
    Haakon IV Haakonson - 1204-1263​
    plans/notes:
    thinking about removing Harald Hardrada (1015-1066), and instead of him adding 2 leaders:
    Harald I Fairhair (872-930) - portrayed by medieval Icelandic historians as the first King of Norway
    Sigurd I Magnusson (1103-1130) - golden age for the medieval Kingdom of Norway
    would fit the timeline better IMO, while being able to add Sigurd (he is too close otherwise)​

    Kiev:
    starts: 882
    current leaders:
    Yaroslav - 1019-1054
    Mstislav I - 1076-1132
    Bohdan Khmelnytsky - 1595-1657​
    plans/notes:
    was thinking about an early leader (maybe instead of Msistlav?)
    but I'm more or less ok with it's current representation too​

    Hungary:
    starts: 895
    current leaders:
    Szt. Istvan - 997-1038
    Bela III - 1148-1196
    Hunyadi Matyas - 1453-1490​
    plans/notes:
    a late leader is on the table (for respawns), but not too important
    instead of that, maybe adding Louis the Great (1342-1382) is a better option?​

    Spain:
    starts: 910
    current leaders:
    Ferdinand III - 1199-1252 - Unified Castile and Leon and conquered Cordoba, Seville and Cadiz amongst other cities.
    Isabella - 1451-1504
    Philip II - 1527-1598​
    plans/notes:
    an early leader would be great, though I did not find proper art for it yet
    was thinking about Alfonso VI (1077–1109)​

    Denmark:
    starts: 936
    current leaders:
    Harald Bluetooth - 958-986
    Margaret I (Margrete) - 1353-1412
    Christian IV - 1577-1648​
    plans/notes:
    probably ok​

    Scotland:
    starts: 960
    current leaders:
    Robert the Bruce - 1274-1329
    James IV - 1473-1513 - the most successful of the Stewart monarchs, and involved in two of the Scottish UHVs​
    plans/notes:
    once again, thinking about adding an early leader - though no good candidates yet
    also toying with the idea of adding Mary Stuart (1542-1587, great art is available for her), but that's probably not a good idea. James IV is probably more important, and they are way too close​

    Poland:
    starts: 966
    current leaders:
    Mieszko I - 930-992
    Casimir III - 1310-1370
    Jan Sobieski - 1629-1696​
    plans/notes:
    fine IMO​

    Genoa:
    starts: 1016
    current leaders:
    Guglielmo Embriaco - 1040-?
    Simone Boccanegra - 1339-1363​
    plans/notes:
    change Embriaco to a proper leader?
    add Andrea Doria (1466–1560) as a late leader?​

    Morocco:
    starts: 1040
    current leaders:
    Yaqub al-Mansur - 1160-1199 - Almohad ruler, somewhat also representing the Almoravids
    Ismail ibn Sharif - 1672-1727 - Alaouite dynasty, his reign marked a high watermark for Moroccan power. His military successes are explained by the creation of a strong army (Black Guard)​
    plans/notes:
    we have a fairly early leader representing the Almohads, and a late leader representing the Alaouites
    a Marinid or a Saadi leader would be great... maybe both?
    Abu al-Hasan (1331–1348) - Height of the Marinid power, in North Africa he extended his rule over Tlemcen and Ifriqiya.
    Ahmad al-Mansur (1578–1603) - the sixth and most famous of all rulers of the Saadis​

    England:
    starts: 1066
    current leaders:
    William the Conqueror - 1028-1087
    Elizabeth - 1533-1603
    George III - 1738-1820​
    plans/notes:
    fine with the current representation of England - will have to revise it, if the civ itself is changed
    maybe add Henry V (1386–1422) - Despite his relatively short reign, Henry's outstanding military successes in the Hundred Years' War made England one of the strongest military powers in Europe​

    Portugal:
    starts: 1139
    current leaders:
    Afonso Henriques - 1109-1185
    Joao II - 1455-1495
    Maria I - 1734-1816​
    plans/notes:
    fine​

    Aragon:
    starts: 1164
    current leaders:
    James I - 1208-1276
    John II - 1398-1479​
    plans/notes:
    fine​

    Sweden:
    starts: 1210
    current leaders:
    Magnus Ladulas - 1240-1290
    Gustav Vasa - 1496-1560 - better art?
    Gustav Adolph - 1594-1632
    Karl XII - 1682-1718​
    plans/notes:
    should replace Karl XII with Gustav III (1746-1792) - seems that Karl is very controversial in Swedish history​

    Prussia:
    starts: 1224
    current leaders:
    Hermann von Salza - 1165-1239
    Frederick I - 1712-1786​
    plans/notes:
    a leader between those 2 would be nice
    maybe Konrad von Jungingen (1355-1393-1407) - Under his administration the Teutonic Order would reach their greatest extent, brother and predecessor to the infamous Ulrich von Jungingen
    or Albert of Prussia (1490-1510-1568) - 37th Grand Master of the Teutonic Knights, who after converting to Lutheranism, became the first ruler of the Duchy of Prussia​

    Lithuania:
    starts: 1236
    current leaders:
    Mindaugas - 1200-1263
    Vytautas - 1350-1430​
    plans/notes:
    Gediminas (1275-1341) came up, as a better leader candidate, but these 2 very also very important and fit the timeline better​

    Austria:
    starts: 1282
    current leaders:
    Maximilian I - 1459-1519
    Maria Theresa - 1717-1780​
    plans/notes:
    an early Austrian leader is needed
    most likely Rudolf I (1218–1291), or maybe Albert I (1255-1308)​

    Ottomans:
    starts: 1356
    current leaders:
    Mehmed II - 1432-1481
    Suleiman the Magnificient - 1494-1566​
    plans/notes:
    an early leader: Osman I - 1258-1324 - if the spawn is moved earlier
    a late leader: Mehmed IV (1648-1687) or Ahmed III (1703-1730)​

    Moscow:
    starts: 1380
    current leaders:
    Ivan IV the Terrible - 1530-1584 - Established the Tsardom of Russia with Moscow as the predominant state.
    Peter the Great - 1672-1725
    Catherine the Great - 1729-1762-1796​
    plans/notes:
    an early leader would be nice, especially if the spawn is moved earlier
    maybe change Ivan IV to Ivan III (1462-1505) - "gatherer of the Russian lands", he tripled the territory of his state, ended the dominance of the Mongols/Tatars over Russia, renovated the Moscow Kremlin, introduced a new legal codex and laid the foundations of the Russian state.​

    Dutch:
    starts: 1581
    current leaders:
    Willem van Oranje - 1533-1584
    Johan de Witt - 1625-1672​
    plans/notes:
    probably fine​
     
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  3. MalayanGamer

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    Also i asked Sword_Of_Geddon to make a Francis I Leaderhead.
     
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    Isn't Ferdinand II (and most later Holy Roman Emperors) problematic since they're arguably part of the Austrian civ, not the German one?
     
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    If Egypt is starting with the Fatimids you could use the Al-Muizz leaderhead from SOI before Saladin. If they’re planned to start with Ayyubids disregard this.

    For a Arabian respawn. Would it be fair to use Alp Arslan and have them become the Seljuks? I’m not sure about that though seeing as the Seljuks were not Arabs. Other than that they could respawn as maybe the Zengids. But overall after Egypt Arrives they dominated the Middle East shown in RFCeurope until the ottomans arrive.
     
  6. MalayanGamer

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    Well..... It's Complicated.
     
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    Yeah, but having a Habsburg leader is kind of inevitable.
    Tried to choose one which is more important for the HRE than for Austria.
     
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    Checked SoI too for available leaderheads (fortunately I have dowloaded almost all Civ IV LHs years ago).
    I might use that LH art as a Tunisian leader, but there are many good options for them.
    I plan to use the Alp Arslan art as Kilij Arslan I (?1079–1092-1107) or Kayqubad I (1188–1220-1237).
    Those 2 are the planned leaders for the separate Rum civ.
    Yeah, a 3rd Arabian leader is questionable. Egypt is more or less replacing them gameplay-wise.
    I'm only thinking about a late leader for possible Arabian respawns - would be strange to see Harun al-Rashid leading them.
    It's a good question what to use though.
    Maybe a Zengid leader, like you said? They were turkish as well, but for example Nur ad-Din reigned in Aleppo (1146–1174) and Damascus (1156–1174).
     
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    Cool! The more options we have, the better.

    About the pics you posted, I do not have the LHs:
    Simeon - Bulgaria (I have a couple versions of "Argantonio", but not this one, with the Byzantine crown and those clothes)
    Marfa Boretskaya - Novgorod
    Daniil - Moscow (Mindaugas with Msistlav's armor, but still looks kinda cool)
    Can you send those to me, or upload them to CFC?
     
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  10. MalayanGamer

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    @AbsintheRed that was actually came from a Mod called CIV IV Medieval Russia that was made by @ramzay1945 . you can ask him for an alpha mod on his gmail.

    ramzay1945@gmail.com
     
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    Great! I like Ramzay's LHs, at least 4-5 is used in RFCE. :)
    But I was only familiar with the ones officially released here in CFC.
    Do you have a link the Medieval Russia mod itself?
     
  12. MalayanGamer

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    Well... Here you go.
     

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