Pre Turn 139 - 210 AD

[Cheetah]

We have recieved the save.

And with it, a message in the mail:

CFC:

Could you please send Monotheism to us "accepted" this turn? Thank you.

Mongoose:

As I'm sure you've heard from various sources, GWT has gifted a city to GCA.
Many at Apolyton predict that they will jump over to that continent and
stay at war with Apolyton and CFC forever to prevent us from being able to
use Republic or Democracy (due to war weariness). Perhaps you could have a
ruling ready on this subject should they not make peace after we drive them
off of this continent?

Monotheism will of course be sent over to them. But GWT has realy given GCA a city. What do we think of this? Does it make the attempt to get to the islands less likely? Can we maybe expect Port Blacksand to fall easier now?

From a look at the save:

• GCA has been gifted the hill-city of "Welcome" from GWT. It is located nearly in the middle of the GWT Empire.
• From the ruins of "Balance of Power", the Apolytonian city of "Power of Victory" has rissen.
• GCA only has two cities left on our continent. The city of "Port Blacksand" and on the eastern part, the city of "Silktalaria". Their army are still average in strength compared to us.

Comments?

 

[Ankka]

Interesting...

Gifted a city to GCA from the middle of their lands? Now they can hold up a war against us forever...

I really think we should smash them at least on our continent, and that Poly should gift us the New BoP, wasn't there a deal that we get it?

 

[deshelbr]

Them being gifted a city by GWT is better than them just getting Iceland. Now we can hold GWT responsible for anything the GCA does and force them to keep a leash on Lucky.

After we drive them off the continent we explain to GWT that any declaration of war by GCA on us will result in a declaration of war by us on GWT. GWT will have to understand that if GCA plays dirty we will make sure GWT can not win this game.

 

[Cyc]

Has CGA moved their capital to GWT? That should be what we monitor. If they neglect to do that, then maybe "Welcome" will flip to GWT and we can then eliminate them from the world. Lets not be too hasty in losing men to Port Blacksand or Silkatoria. If they do move their Capital to Welcome, those cities will probably flip to us.

What you people should be working on is getting "Power of Victory" from those dweebs at Poly through peaceful negotiations. If they don't fork it over within 2 or 3 turns, you should take. I see Riders on the horizon...

 

[croxis]

ooo poly I will eat you for dinner

yes, yummy you are.....


This is like a soap opera. CBS should make a reality series out of this


[edit]400 POSTS BABY!!!!!!!![/edit]

 

[FortyJ]

I just talked with Trip in the chat room. He inquired about the passing on of Monotheism, and here's the brief conversation that followed:

[14:43] <Trip> there's a very large concentration of GCA troops outside Blacksand
[14:44] <Trip> 5 Pikes, 2 Spears, 1 Sword, 2 Horses, 2 Workers
[14:44] <FortyJ_At_Work> should be fun times then
[14:44] <Trip> yes
[14:44] <FortyJ_At_Work> looks like the preturn thread has mentioned that Mono will be going to you guys this turn
[14:44] <Trip> you may want to route that on
[14:44] <Trip> okay, thanks
[14:45] <Trip> just wanted to be sure
[14:46] <Trip> time for lunch
[14:46] <Trip> 'Til lata
[14:46] <FortyJ_At_Work> you all built on Balance of Power?
[14:46] <Trip> yes
[14:46] <FortyJ_At_Work> I thought we were getting that site
[14:46] <Trip> it still hasn't been determined yet
[14:46] <Trip> we needed a base to protect our army from GCA troops
[14:47] <Trip> they aren't fond of attacking units in cities where they don't know how many there are
[14:47] <Trip> anyway
[14:47] <Trip> I gotta go
[14:47] <FortyJ_At_Work> didn't stop them from razing our first town
[14:47] <FortyJ_At_Work> but thanks for the info
[14:47] <FortyJ_At_Work> I'll pass it on
[14:47] <Trip> sure thing
[14:47] <Trip> watch out
[14:47] <Trip> GCA is quite... lucky
[14:47] <Trip> 'Til lata

Thus, the leopard reveals his spots gentlemen. Poly will no doubt refuse to relinquish control over that city. Although, we could perhaps offer a trade: They give us "Power" and we will move a settler through that town to a site of their choosing and establish a town that will be gifted to them. I'd recommend settling this issue quickly.

Also, I would like to urge the powers that be to consider researching Monarchy once again. As long as GCA remains in the game, Monarchy will be the government of choice. Also, because of the war weariness issue, Monarchy will become a valuable trading tech - one that is quite likely not being researched by another civ at the moment.

 

[Cyc]

What a trip. Just more lies from Poly. They will hold onto Power of Victory claiming they need it to defeat GCA and then refuse to give it to us (at least until they have no more use for it). we've been suckered again, folks.

We should probably hold onto Mono until they fork over PoV, don't you think? Who cares if that's the deal someone cooked up for us. We were supposed to get BoP, weren't we? Fair is fair! Keep Monotheism!

Or did you already give it away....

 

[Cheetah]

No one has played the save yet, so we haven't given them Monotheism yet.

They say "Power of Victory" was built to protect against GCAs forces. I will give Poly the benefit of the doubt for now. Though I would like us to get that city soon.

We can present a very legitimate reason for getting it as well: Our galley want to get out of the lake! Therefore we want you to give us the city on the location that was agreed to belong to us.

Could the ambassador to Apolyton try and make some contact with them to discuss this? Remind them that our second galley would help in locating GCAs galleys!

 

[Bootstoots]

One of the ideas tossed around by Poly at an informal chat a few days ago involves them gifting us Equilibrium and keeping the site of BoP. They plan on moving their capital to the southern area after the war, and BoP makes the most logical sense of the two for them to hold on to. Would this be acceptable to us?

Also, do you suppose it might be possible to get CGN to sail up there and take out what's left of GCA after they are eradicated from our continent?

EDIT: I just saw a comment about taking PoV by force. All I can say is that there would be little that we could do that is stupider than attack an ally that has 2-3 times the military force that we do, Riders or not.

 

[Cheetah]

Agreed. What I fear is that the Power of Victory issue will result in a conflict of Apolyton, and that we have only traded one enemy for another. That must not happen!

 

[Hygro]

This Power of Victory is about the worst thing I've seen so far.

 

[Veera Anlai]

**Delurks**
Well, if it were me, I'd withhold Monotheism until they agree to fork over Balance of Power (Or whatever they renamed it)

Something to the effect of, "We shall honor our trade agreement with Apolyton when they honor the territory agreement regarding the former site of Balance of Power."
Only pretty it up more: they *are* our allies after all, and deserve as much flowery script as we can dish up

 

[Donovan Zoi]

I like Veera's idea for wording this. I too am stunned, but not entirely surprised, by these new developments.

I will look into our troop strengths as soon as I get a chance.

 

[Bootstoots]

Only curious, at what point did they agree to give us BoP anyway?

 

[Octavian X]

It was more of a spoken agreement. However, I do feel that Apolyton will hold to their spoken word. They continue on their pledged task to destroy GCA as they agreed with CDG.

I am rather confident that Trip only speaks from a military standpoint, rather than a diplomatic one. It's possible he knew nothing of the border negotiations. I am also confident that they only the intention of defense, and that the city will be handed over to us in the very near future.

In the mean time, we shouldn't worsen our end of diplomatic relations by denying them monotheism. We still have a written agreement in that area, and are obligated to send monotheism.

 

[Bootstoots]

Yes, I think we definately should not withhold monotheism. Let's negotiate for that city after the war; we can't risk bad relations with Poly this early.

 

[Hygro]

I prefer Veera's idea.

 

[Zarn]

It is obvious Poly is using its force with us passively. At the same time, we really can't make them mad.

Poly doesn't want to give away that city (supposively for a 2nd core). They really want it. That have asked if they could give us control of that other choke point for BoP (or whatever it is called). They have created that city w/o telling us, which doesn't make them very good allies. Right now, I think we should try our best to settle the disputes with Poly but be buddy-buddy with CGN. I would rather have BOP, and I was informed a while back that we would get it (don't remember by whom).

As for Monotheism, I will hold it off for now, since Poly isn't cooperating. I am going to use it as a bargaining chip to get Poly to dance a little (though politely).

 

[deshelbr]

I can find at least six instances in the past two months in which Trip and Poly has said that the fate of Balance Of Power still had not been decided. I have never seen anything in which they said that area was ours. A couple of people brought that up in the past, especially Goonie.

I think we have been ASSUMING we get BOP for a while and saying it over and over made us all think it was true.

 

[Cyc]

Originally posted by deshelbr
I can find at least six instances in the past two months in which Trip and Poly has said that the fate of Balance Of Power still had not been decided. I have never seen anything in which they said that area was ours. A couple of people brought that up in the past, especially Goonie.

I think we have been ASSUMING we get BOP for a while and saying it over and over made us all think it was true.

We have had very weak and wishy washy diplomats covering our affairs with Poly, this is true, deshelbr. But we have made our point clear over and over again to everyone involved. Now they are going to tell us to shut up and take their Northern outpost, which is far from anything we currently own, and be happy with it or take nothing at all.

From what I understand, CGA kicked the crap out of Poly's military. So, bootsie, I would say that there is one thing that is stupider (real word?) than attacking Poly and that's hiding in the shadows and sucking up to them whenever they come around. But of course that's what we've always done, so I imagine that's standard protocol for you know.

Fanatikou is a very weak nation so we should probably just cower in our private little coner and let them do whatever they want. No wonder we're in last place.