President Trump is very overweight, but won’t stop eating burgers and drinking soda

[Perfection]

People on Diet often have very bad mood swings. Expecting him to loose weight, might cause a Nuclear Holocaust and end all life on Earth.

Seriously, and since Trump doesn't drink or smoke he's just left with cable knews to satiate his addictive personality. Not good.

Someone should dose his cheeseburger with LSD so can open his eyes and see what a insufferable douchebag he is.

 

[FriendlyFire]

This does expose another hypocrisy of leftists. Leftists in recent years have been the champions of the anti-body shaming movement and yet here we see them body shaming someone just because they disagree with that person's politics. And it's not just Trump either. We've seen leftists body shame other conservative politicians and media figures as well. All the while preaching "fat acceptance".

Remember how Republicans mocked Michel Obama cause to eat healthy and excerise ?
I just find it amusing we have a President that thinks excerise causes aging and is about to be declared Obesed.

 

[metalhead]

Don't get me wrong though, I really don't have a problem with fat shaming. In my experience, shaming people for their unhealthy decisions is a pretty effective way to get them to change their behavior. Social pressure can be a powerful thing. The only thing I'm calling out is you can't fat shame someone while espousing an ideology that claims to look down on fat shaming.

I'd say it depends on the motivation. In a society where maintaining a healthy weight is a clear marker of socio-economic status, shaming people in general for being fat is an awful thing to do like any other form of poor-shaming. However pointing out that someone of means who routinely mocks others' appearances himself has a rather ugly and ridiculous appearance isn't really the same thing at all.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I'd say it depends on the motivation. In a society where maintaining a healthy weight is a clear marker of socio-economic status, shaming people in general for being fat is an awful thing to do like any other form of poor-shaming. However pointing out that someone of means who routinely mocks others' appearances himself has a rather ugly and ridiculous appearance isn't really the same thing at all.

But they take it to another level entirely. Trump seems to believe he is actually in great shape and I've heard clips of his sycophant inner circle talking about how fit he is 'underneath the suit'.

I agree with @Commodore on public shaming to police public nuisances but not so much when it comes to obesity. As metalhead points out, obesity is very much a poor person's disease for a ton of reasons. Not only that but there's a mountain of evidence that shows that often times obesity is not something people can just willpower their way out of. If it were that simple, everyone would be as thin as Kate Moss or something but obviously it's not.

 

[Arwon]

Somehow I suspect his disgusting eating habits aren't his biggest health problem

 

[Crezth]

This thread rules.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I'd say it depends on the motivation. In a society where maintaining a healthy weight is a clear marker of socio-economic status, shaming people in general for being fat is an awful thing to do like any other form of poor-shaming. However pointing out that someone of means who routinely mocks others' appearances himself has a rather ugly and ridiculous appearance isn't really the same thing at all.

Fat shaming is not poor shaming. Being poor does not make you fat. Don't be silly.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Besides, the US Government has a plan to tackle the Obesity issue.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Fat shaming is not poor shaming. Being poor does not make you fat. Don't be silly.

Actually, it kind of does.

 

[Ryika]

I'm poor. I'm not overweight.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Actually, it kind of does.

Really doesn't though does it.

 

[metalhead]

Fat shaming is not poor shaming. Being poor does not make you fat. Don't be silly.

The evidence suggests that being poor in a wealthy country is a contributing factor to obesity. Being poor doesn't "make you fat," but it makes it significantly more difficult to maintain a healthy weight, for a variety of reasons.

 

[Ryika]

So if I understand that article correctly, poor people are fat because they have to fear that they might get shot if they go out and move their bodies.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

There's essentially nothing in that article (is that just an abstract?!). Also the old chestnut about correlation not equalling causation kind of addresses it anyway.

For the record - I pretty much eat ready meals and crap all the time, and don't really take any regular exercise, but I'm not overweight. In fact I lost some weight last year just by doing a little bit of exercise (within my own home) and eating smaller amounts of the same crap.

 

[metalhead]

There's essentially nothing in that article (is that just an abstract?!). Also the old chestnut about correlation not equalling causation kind of addresses it anyway.

No it doesn't. They list causes right in the abstract. "Here is the correlation, and here are some causes that explain the correlation" is, er, exactly what overcomes the old "correlation does not equal causation" chestnut. "Correlation doesn't equal causation" is only relevant where an actual causal link between correlated data isn't established. Another proffered explanation is the higher prevalence of childhood obesity in poorer communities, which is more prevalent among children in households of lower income and educational attainment.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

No it doesn't. They list causes right in the abstract. "Here is the correlation, and here are some causes that explain the correlation" is, er, exactly what overcomes the old "correlation does not equal causation" chestnut. "Correlation doesn't equal causation" is only relevant where an actual causal link between correlated data isn't established. Another proffered explanation is the higher prevalence of childhood obesity in poorer communities, which is more prevalent among children in households of lower income and educational attainment.

Except they don't do they. They just list some possible causes that have been proposed, and then don't really go any further with it (except in a couple of cases to point out that some particular causes aren't going to be enough on their own). So it's just pointing out a correlation and then speculating on some possible causes. None of which I find particularly convincing. I mean it even says this in the second paragraph:

While it is agreed that both individual factors such as genetic susceptibility and behavior are important in life-long weight gain, evidence is ill-defined with respect to the nature of the environmental influences that impact obesity

 

[Ryika]

In the end everything comes down to "People made bad choices." anyway. No matter how many contributing factors you can name, in the end it's still people being responsible for their own undoing. Being poor does not make you fat, being rich does not mean you automatically stay fit, and claiming that a healthy body is a clear marker of socio-economic status and fat-shaming therefor constitutes class-shaming is just the most ridiculous proposition that one could come up with.

 

[Broken_Erika]

I demand my Deep-Fried Lard balls coated in bacon grease!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I demand my Deep-Fried Lard balls coated in bacon grease!

Too bad you aren't local. I was just about to whip some up for breakfast.

 

[metalhead]

Except they don't do they. They just list some possible causes that have been proposed, and then don't really go any further with it (except in a couple of cases to point out that some particular causes aren't going to be enough on their own). So it's just pointing out a correlation and then speculating on some possible causes. None of which I find particularly convincing.

You're not convinced that poorer people have higher obesity rates even though the data clearly shows it to be true?

I feel like you're obfuscating here just to continue denying the plain factual reality. Just because they can't say for certain which factors among those that differentiate the lifestyles of higher income people from lower income people are actually the cause - which is extremely difficult with so many potential contributing factors - in no way means that the findings aren't significant.