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President's Thread Term 10

Discussion in 'Team Epsilon' started by Memphus, Jun 24, 2007.

  1. Memphus

    Memphus Deity

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    Personally I think we have enough troops now. I would say switch out of nationalism the same time we do Monarchy. Which can be in 1 turn,

    BTW do we want representation, or do we want Universal Sufferage? (longer than 1 turn)
     
  2. DaveMcW

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    I don't think Representation gives us that much. We aren't using any specialists, and we actually get more happy faces using military police.
     
  3. Memphus

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    Ok Fair enough :)

    Are you suggesting we switch next turn?

    How long untill we can't effectivley :deal: units every turn?

    Also if we hold off until Assembly Line.... :evil: we can :deal: some infantry....

    Anyone else have thoughts?
     
  4. DaveMcW

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    I guess the bigger question is, what should we hit Innovia with? Masses of drafted Riflemen, or wait for more advanced units?

    We can get a very impressive horde of Riflemen if we ignore the long-term production and culture slider consequences. ;)
     
  5. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    I think we should switch to Monarchy/Hereditary Rule.
    (uhm... what are we running right now?? :blush: )

    As Dave noted, Representation doesn't gain us that much, and U.Sufferage really isn't that great if we continue to plow the maximum ammount of gold into science.

    Which brings me to... I think we should use our strengths in research to forge ahead in tech before we bring the war to Innovia.
    2 Main reasons:
    1) Piffle is still bogged down in Aloha land, and could use the support of a larger technological edge
    2) It doesn't do us a lot of good to get too far ahead in Innovia land, as we've agreed to split it with Piffle. (unless we've decided that now is our moment to betray Piffle... but I don't think we're quite there yet, personally)

    So I'd say go to Monarchy, finish off LOCO, and then full steam ahead on getting a larger tech edge.
     
  6. Memphus

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    We are still in Monarchy.

    We are running Nationalism, the chocie here is to switch to Free speech which gives us +100% culture in all cities as well as +2 :commerce: for every town (we have only a few of those right now)

    I think Genereal_W is right, once Loco is out of the picture, we should focus on what we are good at research, but they key here is to keep Piffle Happy as we don't want the whole world to turn agaisn't us.

    I think a note for Piffle offering them one of out 2 spices to cope with War weariness would be a good start :) (and find out thier new eta on Steam Power)

    In any event I think we should wait 1 or 2 more turns then switch to Free Speech, but based on this stay in Monarchy as well.
     
  7. peter grimes

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    I just took a look at things, and I see three basic options:

    1) Civics to rebuild Locopotamia quickly are Free Speech and Organized Religion (req missionary spamming to Loco)
    2) Civics to boost science are Free Religion and Represenation and Mercantilism
    3) Bureaucracy and some combination of the above

    I did the math for the difference in :science:pt between 1) and 2). We are currently developing 691 :science:, under Merc and FR we'd do 832 (+141 :))

    I did not do the math on Bureaucracy... got to get some real work done here ;)
     
  8. Memphus

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    Well although we would go up for Merc, we wouldn't really because our slider would go way down to to insane distance maintenance costs.

    Additionally that +1 :food: from the workshop and watermill is too large to ignore. We will most likely keep State Property for the rest of the game.

    To Me our next change should be Free Speech as the 2 XP's do make a difference...espeically when the :whip: comes out :)
     
  9. peter grimes

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    :hammer2: I forgot that Merc would cancel out StateProperty :blush:

    Well, it may still make sense to go back into Bureaucracy for the tech boost.
     
  10. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    State Property has got to stay for sure.
    Looks like we all agree on keeping the Monarchy also :) Long live The Leader!

    I guess the biggest question is really Free Speech vs. Bureaucracy.

    Like Memphus noted, we really don't have that many towns... or even that many cottages really.... and with the game drawing nearer the end, I'm just not that excited about Free Speech.

    Loco's towns are mostly well developed already, and will quickly expand their culture out to their full fat-cross. So I don't see as big of a benefit from Free Speech there either.

    To my mind, it seems like restoring the glory to Epsilon Eridani is the way to go! Heck, if we're running a communist economic model anyway, why not crush free speech and bring back the full Bureaucracy? :)
     
  11. DaveMcW

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    But Loco does. ;)
     
  12. peter grimes

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    There won't be any culture in Loco's cities until we either build buildings or spread religion.

    I'm not advocating a second anarchy or anything, but it's useful to remember that those borders won't pop for quite a while.
     
  13. DaveMcW

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    Theater 3:culture:
    Two Artists 8:culture:

    I think the borders will pop quite easily. The benefit of Free Speech is we get the third ring twice as fast.
     
  14. Memphus

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    Yeah I am an advocate for free speech as its power magnifies in the late game (more towns)
     
  15. Kylearan

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    Here's another Free Speech addict... ;)
     
  16. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    As long as free speech gives us a greater benefit, then I am all for it.
     
  17. Memphus

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    Ok So free Speech it is, other civics will remain status Quo for the time being.

    Dave How long until we would need to use the slider for :) to combat the 3 units a turn :deal:?

    To me that is the point we should switch.
     
  18. Memphus

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    Well we can't actually switch our civics for another 2 turns as we just switched into communism.

    So in 2 turns everyone ok with going to free speech or do we want to draft a little longer?
     
  19. peter grimes

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    I don't think we need to draft longer - we've got plenty of cheap rifles for now.

    So, yeah - go ahead an switch to Free Speech :)
     
  20. DaveMcW

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    :bump: Are you able to play Memphus?
     

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