Cloud_Strife
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Ah yes the poor cis straights, historically under physical threat by the all powerful LGBT community
If your point is that the LGBT community is not much of a physical threat to cis straights, then what is the point of violence against them? To alienate people and piss them off?Ah yes the poor cis straights, historically under physical threat by the all powerful LGBT community
Ah right, I forgot: I am European. Still, we do have these same people here, it‘s a big rift between Western and Eastern Europe. And let‘s not forget the rest of the world, many countries where being gay is still criminalized. I‘m not worried about the US. There are the big coast states of for example California that combat these bad elements. Trump and his loonies are a set-back, he will vanish, his generation will die. In the long run, we are winning.
(I know, not much of a help for those suffering right now personally, but then my viewpoint is a concious decision by myself what to do with my own life, very selfish, I know)
So is there a non-defensive violence that you are advocating for?When did i advocate for violence in a non-defensive manner against cis straights, that isn't for the purpose of either gaining rights or protecting what rights they have?
So is there a non-defensive violence that you are advocating for?
I'm struggling to find example of rights which you can go out and grab by force.
Everyone has a right to (and should) defend themselves. Which is why I don't think that's what put Lemon off (in the OP).When did i advocate for violence in a non-defensive manner against cis straights, that isn't for the purpose of either gaining rights or protecting what rights they have?
Some people, sure. And it sucks, I get it. Just does not mean "straight" should be a codeword for "enemy" or something.And mate, with the best will in the world, just being openly LGBT is enough to alienate and piss people off, even existing is too much for some people.
It's true, being LGBT in Russia is very dangerous and for some may be a death sentence. Interestingly, homosexuality was decriminalized in Russia right after the Bolshevik Revolution, earlier than in many Western countries, but was reinstated as a crime by homicidal maniac Joseph Stalin. And I have heard from many people that after our "president" passed the law against "gay propaganda", life has become much worse for the LGBT community in Russia because "gay propaganda" is a very vague term, any pretty much anything can be twisted to be perceived as "gay propaganda". In fact, even straight people can get the axe if they are perceived as gay. Many high school students are bullied in school for being perceived as gay, even when they aren't.Still, we do have these same people here, it‘s a big rift between Western and Eastern Europe.
Everyone has a right to (and should) defend themselves. Which is why I don't think that's what put Lemon off (in the OP).
Some people, sure. And it sucks, I get it. Just does not mean "straight" should be a codeword for "enemy" or something.
Unless you are explicitly pro-gay, you are functionally not helping. Anti-LGBT elements count of peoples apathy to be able to implement policies that punish queer people.
I'm sure the social and political admixture of radical and moderate activism toward a better society would not be missed by you in Europe if some of your forebear a century or two ago lacked such drive, which show such disdain for and seem to see as "disruptive," if you still lived under feudal monarchies with mandatory state religions. Your ambivalence to the whole socio-political process being discussed implies you wouldn't be bothered at all with a pointless life of back-breaking, unpaid serfdom for the wealth of a powerful who just won the birth lottery over you and had no other integral merit.
It's true, being LGBT in Russia is very dangerous and for some may be a death sentence. Interestingly, homosexuality was decriminalized in Russia right after the Bolshevik Revolution, earlier than in many Western countries, but was reinstated as a crime by homicidal maniac Joseph Stalin. And I have heard from many people that after our "president" passed the law against "gay propaganda", life has become much worse for the LGBT community in Russia because "gay propaganda" is a very vague term, any pretty much anything can be twisted to be perceived as "gay propaganda". In fact, even straight people can get the axe if they are perceived as gay. Many high school students are bullied in school for being perceived as gay, even when they aren't.
We also have concentration camps for gay men in Chechnya, but... Chechnya is pretty much a Medieval state at this point. There was a recent report which showed families denouncing, disowning, and cursing their own children who dared criticize Ramzan Kadyrov. Compared to Chechnya, the rest of the "Russian Federation" is a safe space.
But I do hope one day Russia becomes a civilized country.
As said in another post, I am very grateful and in awe for all these people of the past that had the guts to struggle f.e. in the Stonewall Riots. But this is not the past. I believe in being visible as a gay man, a lot is already achieved in changing opinions and preconceptions. It is about showing the diversity of life conceptions as ok, going from Tolerance to Acceptance.
Quoted for truth even if I'm sure some people will now point out that some medieval countries weren't as bad and it's reinforcing stereotypes to compare Chechnya to the Middle Ages ;-).
I mean they're literally putting LGBT in concentration camps in Chechnya but ok
Of course I know historical examples, such as slave revolts, etc.America literally got their rights from britain by using violence lol
I know that some of you are gay or LGBT friendly. I would like your opinion. Am I wrong to feel this way?
While there is some truth to this, please remember that it was the moderates acceptance that finally tipped the scale so they just need to continue to help.Moderates aren't necessarily our allies as well, especially if they are reluctant to acknowledge the threats we face and are hesitant to help us.