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prince suddenly easy for me??

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by Romegypt, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. Romegypt

    Romegypt Your tank is now my tank!

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    So... I have another seperate thread for a prince game.

    But I guess their lessons stuck, because I'm close to winning a separate prince game- Posting a save.

    Anything you think? Thoughts? I killed elizabeth, and mansa declared on me, but I flipped the war and hit him hard, taking a few cities before accept his vassalship so my war weariness would go away. Then I declared on the incas with tanks.
     

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  2. sampsa

    sampsa Ghost

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    Yep, looks easily winning. :thumbsup: You should build just tanks from now on though, no buildings and just conquer the world. Unless you want to win space, for fun. :)
     
  3. AcaMetis

    AcaMetis Chieftain

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    One thing I would recommend instead of moving up in difficulty immediately: Try and shift out of your comfort zone. Try playing a different leader, or on a different type of map, or with odd settings like No Tech Trading. If you don't care about trying different things that's fine, do whatever's fun for you, but in terms of learning to be a better player I'd say it's better to be able to adapt than to be really good at applying only a narrow set of skills.
     
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  4. Gumbolt

    Gumbolt Phoenix Rising

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    Yes you should win easily from here. You needed to be running a hammer economy by now. Workshops should of replaced a lot of these cottages by now. Far too few workers to do this. Railroad needs to link up cities.

    On Prince early rushes should be really easy. Why are you still playing at 1884?

    Your first great person was in 1000ad? Are you even running specialists? I would expect 4-5+ by this date and I would of bulbed techs like edu and Liberalism. Have you heard of the concept of a great people farm?

    Your tech order here is a mess. You seem to be teching everything for the sake of it. If you really wanted all the early era techs beeline alphabet and trade for them. Don't tech them yourself.

    Note also the Ai has over 60 gold per turn to trade for resources. Guessing you are not trading gold for resources at all.

    Learn to build research and wealth instead of colloseums and other less useful buildings.

    You are playing for fun here. Time to read some of Lymonds advice and try posting saves that are not 1884ad but 1500bc or even 1000bc. Your early game needs a lot of work.

    You don't know this game as half as well as you think you might.
     
  5. Romegypt

    Romegypt Your tank is now my tank!

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    I'm doing better than I was before, now that y'all taught me about whipping. I'm going to try to incorporate those other things next game.

    Why should I replace cottages with workshops?

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    The save was just to show off my game not to get help. I've already won.
     
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  6. AcaMetis

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    To transition from a cottage-based economy to a hammer-based economy. If you're going for a military victory you don't need cottages anymore once you've gotten all the tech you need, but you do need hammers to fuel your war machine. So it's better to build workshops over your cottages. Conversely, cottages are better than workshops for a cultural victory, but if you're running around with Tanks you're clearly not going culture.
     
  7. Romegypt

    Romegypt Your tank is now my tank!

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    I see. Won't I need the cottages for eco, to keep up my gdp?
     
  8. Gumbolt

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    Learn about the wealth/science build in cities. Hammers converted to wealth or science.

    You don't really need advice from us as there are so many threads here that give most of the same advice already. I would read through old threads.
    Key topics.
    Bureau capitals.
    Great people/ Bulbing techs.
    Slavery
    Hammer economy.
    Use of workers.
    City builds.
    How to war on civ 4.
    Which wonders to build.
    Use of wealth/science builds.
    Good luck.
     
  9. sampsa

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    Well the thing is that when you have a big military advantage, you no more need to tech. You just need to win the game.
     
  10. AcaMetis

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    Once you're done researching you can turn off your slider, and you can keep 0% slider going with just trade routes and resource trades. Definitely once you adopt State Property, as that gets rid of distance and corp maintenance entirely. Colonial maintenance as well, since that's tied to distance maintenance. Worse case scenario you can just have a few cities build Wealth to keep your economy afloat, or build Research if you find yourself in need of another tech anyway.

    There are positives and negatives about building wealth or research as opposed to growing Towns and using the slider, but point is that once you're done researching, you're better off with workshops than with towns.
     
  11. ArchGhost

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    It's really hard to tank your economy with late game trade routes + State Property on the table. If you plan to go military or space you'll want the workshop hammers instead of the commerce.
     
  12. Wondercrush89

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    I agree with an earlier poster, if Prince is too easy kick it up to Monarch for a challenge. Sometimes lessons work under particular circumstances as opposed to overall game play. But you get the chance to fine tune your tactics to higher difficulties.
     
  13. Amao

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    This game can be with you for more than a decade. I'm not sure if you just want to have fun or serious enough to go on challenge the deity level. Either way, there are lots of fun.
    As for the current game, I see many places can be improved just by loading your save and a quick scan.

    1. worker management. on current level, you can afford tons of workers. and workers are power. you need more workers and manually managing them. There is a plain in your capital's BFC is still UMIMPROVED at 300+ turn. :nono:
    2. city placement. the first cities should use the inner ring to get the food and what you need. the 2nd ring will take ages to expand. that slows you down considerately.
    3. you got your 5th city far far away to get the extra gold. how long does that take for both golds online? one gold is on 2nd ring. see the 2. above.
    4. initial tech BW is ok but may not be the optimal, considering you only have a pig to improve in your BFC. AH first might be the better alternative.
    5. try some early war. say AXE rush, HA rush, Cat/XXX rush etc. these early rushes win you high level of games if executed correctly.

    That's a lot of typing already. Have fun!
     

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