PROOF that Star Wars would defeat Star Trek in a war

[hewhoknowsall]

(note: I've also posted this proof, which I did NOT copy, on other forums, so that may be why you may see similar proof on other forums on the internet)

WARNING: nerd content, although given that this is a Civilization Fanatic forum that isn't that uncommon, right?



The high end weapon yield for a photon torpedo from the Enterprise is 64 megatons if they somehow react with 100% efficiency (which is an impossibility based on modern Science). Since the bast is omnidirectional half of it would be going in the opposite direction of the hull, so the actual upper limit in terms of the damage in which it can do is about 32 megatons.

The lower limit for the durability of the shields of a star destroyer (from Star Wars) is about 1.4E19 joules (actually, this is a very low end estimate). Converted to tons of tnt it's about 3.34 * 10^15 tons of tnt.

3.34 * 10^15 divided by 3200000 (aka 32 megatons) 1043750000.

Basically, the Enterprise would have to launch 1043750000 photon torpedos to get past the shields of a star destroyer, even when we are using high end estimates for the Enterprise and low end estimates for a star destroyer.

That's likely more photon torpedos than the Federation even has in its arsenal.

STAR TREK JUST GOT PWNED (no disrespect to Star Trek; it's a great show)

 

[Brian Shanahan]

You know that Star Wars is a fantasy series, which coinidentally happens in space. There is basically no science behind any of the stuff in it. And what little sciency stuff is fairly laughable (midichlorians).
While Star Trek often purports to be science based, this is usually something at the bleeding edge of the most speculative areas or plain bad (if you don't believe me on bad, look at sfdebris on Youtube).
So your post is; what fiction series very loosely based on the possible can beat the the other? I think there can be no answer to that.

P.S. Havelock Vetinari would destroy them two utterly with no more than 2 sheets of paper, a slce of cheese and a 1 foot piece of string.

 

[Leonel]

What effect on the shields would phaser arrays have?

 

[hewhoknowsall]

You know that Star Wars is a fantasy series, which coinidentally happens in space. There is basically no science behind any of the stuff in it. And what little sciency stuff is fairly laughable (midichlorians).
While Star Trek often purports to be science based, this is usually something at the bleeding edge of the most speculative areas or plain bad (if you don't believe me on bad, look at sfdebris on Youtube).
So your post is; what fiction series very loosely based on the possible can beat the the other? I think there can be no answer to that.

P.S. Havelock Vetinari would destroy them two utterly with no more than 2 sheets of paper, a slce of cheese and a 1 foot piece of string.

Actually, Star Wars is in many ways more scientifically accurate than Star Trek. Star Trek often involes tech jargon that doesn't make sense, as well as intense bio tech and nano tech wanking. They also have space battles of a few hundred meters range (Star Wars has a few, but that's usually only when they're attacking a planet that they need to get near enough to land troops in).

My point is that, in a war, Star Wars would easily beat Star Trek (unless if the Q and other god like beings are involved).


A star destroyer has a power generation of over a quadrillion gigawatts (I'm not kidding). It produces more energy in one second than humanity has in its lifetime.

Also, Star Wars hyperdrive can cross the galaxy in a matter of hours, whereas Star Trek warp drive takes DECADES. In a war, Star Wars can keep on concentrating large forces on the thinly spread out Star Trek forces, and Star Trek won't be able to send reinforcements in any reasonable amount of time.

An analogy to Civilization would be a bunch of modern armors with portable airports vs a bunch of warriors.

 

[SG-17]

Just have the flagship Enterprise fight them in a television episode (rather than a film) and they will always win because of the Enterprise Factor.

Enterprise Factor: The USS Enterprise NCC-1701/-D cannot be destroyed by any unnatural force (or permanently by a natural force) within a span of 45-100 television minutes due to the aurora of awesomeness surrounding their captains.

 

[hewhoknowsall]

What effect on the shields would phaser arrays have?

A phaser on a Star Trek starship has the power generation ranging in the single digit to double digit terrawatts.

A Star Wars acclamator TROOP TRANSPORT's shields have a heat dissipation of 70 trillion gigawatts, aka 70 billion terrawatts.

 

[Luckymoose]

Who has Jesus on their side?

 

[Leonel]

Wait where are you getting all these numbers?!

 

[hewhoknowsall]

Wait where are you getting all these numbers?!

1. ICS, tech manuals and other official reference books
2. Calculations based off of on screen demonstrations of the weapons

Based on this, the Enterprise would have to fire over one billion photon torpedos to get past the shields of a star destroyer.

A star destroyer would also have more power generation than the entire Federation fleet combined.

 

[Ajidica]

The high end weapon yield for a photon torpedo from the Enterprise is 64 megatons if they somehow react with 100% efficiency (which is an impossibility based on modern Science). Since the bast is omnidirectional half of it would be going in the opposite direction of the hull, so the actual upper limit in terms of the damage in which it can do is about 32 megatons.

The lower limit for the durability of the shields of a star destroyer (from Star Wars) is about 1.4E19 joules (actually, this is a very low end estimate). Converted to tons of tnt it's about 3.34 * 10^15 tons of tnt.

3.34 * 10^15 divided by 3200000 (aka 32 megatons) 1043750000.

Basically, the Enterprise would have to launch 1043750000 photon torpedos to get past the shields of a star destroyer, even when we are using high end estimates for the Enterprise and low end estimates for a star destroyer.

That's likely more photon torpedos than the Federation even has in its arsenal.

STAR TREK JUST GOT PWNED (no disrespect to Star Trek; it's a great show)

Which Enterprise? Furthermore, you have to compare the cost differences. I'm willing to bet a couple Soverign/Intrepid/Defiant class warships are cheaper than a single Imperial Star Destroyer.
Lastly, why just use photon torpedos? Why not the Quantum Torpedos used in the later series?

P.S. Havelock Vetinari would destroy them two utterly with no more than 2 sheets of paper, a slce of cheese and a 1 foot piece of string.

Borogravia is better.

Actually, Star Wars is in many ways more scientifically accurate than Star Trek. Star Trek often involes tech jargon that doesn't make sense, as well as intense bio tech and nano tech wanking. They also have space battles of a few hundred meters range (Star Wars has a few, but that's usually only when they're attacking a planet that they need to get near enough to land troops in).

Not really. I clearly remember Picard issuing battle orders to the Ent-D in kilometers.

A star destroyer has a power generation of over a quadrillion gigawatts (I'm not kidding). It produces more energy in one second than humanity has in its lifetime.

And is one reason why SW is fantasy.
Given the relative tech levels, of course it will be stacked in favor of SW. Basicaly you have a relatively primative ST versus a much more advanced SW. If it was the Ent-J seen in ENT, then it would ST all the way.

Also, Star Wars hyperdrive can cross the galaxy in a matter of hours, whereas Star Trek warp drive takes DECADES. In a war, Star Wars can keep on concentrating large forces on the thinly spread out Star Trek forces, and Star Trek won't be able to send reinforcements in any reasonable amount of time.

And SW further throws out any claim to potential scientific accuracy out the window.

Better question:
Who would win in a fight, a Shadow Battlecrab/Minbari Sharlin or the Ent-A.

2. Calculations based off of on screen demonstrations of the weapons

How do you do that?

 

[Disgustipated]

Actually, Star Wars is in many ways more scientifically accurate than Star Trek. Star Trek often involes tech jargon that doesn't make sense, as well as intense bio tech and nano tech wanking. They also have space battles of a few hundred meters range (Star Wars has a few, but that's usually only when they're attacking a planet that they need to get near enough to land troops in).

My point is that, in a war, Star Wars would easily beat Star Trek (unless if the Q and other god like beings are involved).


A star destroyer has a power generation of over a quadrillion gigawatts (I'm not kidding). It produces more energy in one second than humanity has in its lifetime.

Also, Star Wars hyperdrive can cross the galaxy in a matter of hours, whereas Star Trek warp drive takes DECADES. In a war, Star Wars can keep on concentrating large forces on the thinly spread out Star Trek forces, and Star Trek won't be able to send reinforcements in any reasonable amount of time.

An analogy to Civilization would be a bunch of modern armors with portable airports vs a bunch of warriors.

Star Wars accurate? Please. fighter duels (dogfighting) in space? Is there anything wrong with this picture?

 

[Mise]

Well, this Sci Fi story that I wrote had a species called the Killerons that could output 10^39775329 Gigatwats of energy in its hyperbeams. Also, its ships could travel the entire universe in a matter of minutes and they could sexually pleasure their females for weeks. WEEKS.

Killerons could kick Star Wars's ass any day.

 

[sophie]

Neither of them profess to maintaining very hard sci-fi. Besides these two "universes" exist millenia and many galaxies apart from one another, I don't see why we'd even want to compare these things.

Both series have their high points, and their lows, and are entertaining in their own (often entirely different) respects.

 

[Ajidica]

Star Wars accurate? Please. fighter duels (dogfighting) in space? Is there anything wrong with this picture?

Actualy space dogfights aren't that bad. B5 has quite a few of them, and they generaly try to obey the laws of physics with regards to motion.

 

[hewhoknowsall]

Which Enterprise? Furthermore, you have to compare the cost differences. I'm willing to bet a couple Soverign/Intrepid/Defiant class warships are cheaper than a single Imperial Star Destroyer.
Lastly, why just use photon torpedos? Why not the Quantum Torpedos used in the later series?

Sure Star Wars star destroyers would be more expensive, but Star Wars also has a far larger industrial complex (millions of worlds vs a few thousand)

Also, a SINGLE star destroyer is a match for the entire Federation fleet. Seriously. Starfleet could fire at a shielded star destroyer for a day and not do any damage.

Not really. I clearly remember Picard issuing battle orders to the Ent-D in kilometers.

Sometimes, but other times we see starships fighting within 1 km ranges.

And is one reason why SW is fantasy.
Given the relative tech levels, of course it will be stacked in favor of SW. Basicaly you have a relatively primative ST versus a much more advanced SW. If it was the Ent-J seen in ENT, then it would ST all the way.

On the contrary, Star Wars beats any incarnation of the Federation except for maybe the 31st century one.

Even later versions of the Enterprise have a power generation of about 12 billion gigawatts. A star destroyer has a power generation ranging from the trillions of gigawatts to the quadrillions of gigawatts.

In fact, even the borg would get defeated by Star Wars; the borg were still harmed by under 64 megaton photon torpedos, which in comparison would do virtually nothing to a star destroyer's shields.

And SW further throws out any claim to potential scientific accuracy out the window.

Although it isn't completely scientifically accurate, in a rational debate we still need to take Science into account.



In fact, the Federation wouldn't even have enough fuel to make it past the Outer Rim worlds. Star Wars on the other hand can attack a Federation planet with a HUGE amount of forces and then quickly withdraw, while Federation reinforcements would take weeks to get to the battle. The Federation will therefore have to spread out its forces out since their warp drive isn't fast enough to respond to Star Wars's hyperdrive. Star Wars however can concentrate their fleet strength and therefore overwhelm specific planets. In the case of an attack they can divert their forces in a matter of hours.

 

[Antilogic]

Actualy space dogfights aren't that bad. B5 has quite a few of them, and they generaly try to obey the laws of physics with regards to motion.

The difference between B5 and the new Galactica fighter battles and the Star Wars battles is precisely this.

 

[bhsup]

Asgard kick all y'alls backsides. Thor FTW, hosers.

 

[Ajidica]

Sure Star Wars star destroyers would be more expensive, but Star Wars also has a far larger industrial complex (millions of worlds vs a few thousand)

See, differences in resources. If the Federation got the Romulans on their side, they would have a better chance. If you throw enough men at it, eventualy they will break.

Also, a SINGLE star destroyer is a match for the entire Federation fleet. Seriously. Starfleet could fire at a shielded star destroyer for a day and not do any damage.

I find that suspect. The Federation could adjust the shield harmonics to make them less vulnerable to laser fire. Lastly, in the movies I only saw what, 6 banks of laser cannons on the Star Destroyers? The Ent-E has at least 8 banks of phasers in addition to the Quantum Torpedos. That is far more power for its size.

Sometimes, but other times we see starships fighting within 1 km ranges.

Didn't Ackbar order the cruisers to engage the Destroyers at point blank range at the Battle of Endor.

On the contrary, Star Wars beats any incarnation of the Federation except for maybe the 31st century one.

Okay, considering we are throwing all technological parity out of the window, a fleet of retrofitted Guild Heighliners and frigates would flat out own anything SW or ST had to throw at it.

Even later versions of the Enterprise have a power generation of about 12 billion gigawatts. A star destroyer has a power generation ranging from the trillions of gigawatts to the quadrillions of gigawatts.

When you pull numbers out of your arse, anything is possible.

In fact, even the borg would get defeated by Star Wars; the borg were still harmed by under 64 megaton photon torpedos, which in comparison would do virtually nothing to a star destroyer's shields.

I haven't watched Voy, but based on the effect quantum torpedos had on the Borg in First Contact, it would have to be a heavily damaged Borg ship for them to have any effect. I mean, the Borg can adapt to anything. They even were able to adapt to the Ent-D's superweapon in Best of Both Worlds.

Although it isn't completely scientifically accurate, in a rational debate we still need to take Science into account.

I think a emoticon block is worthy here.
If you want to at least pretend rational debate of sci-fi, lets shift it to B5 vs. BSG (new).
I would wager a Sharlin could cut the Galactica to pieces.

Talks about how superiour SW hyperspace drive is

That has to be the fastest non jump drive I have ever heard of in sci-fi. Even B5 jump-points or Farscape Starbursting.

That gives me an idea for another comparison, Star Destroyer vs Peacekeeper Command Carrier.

 

[bhsup]

Asgard ships can go intergalactic in like...hours.

 

[Ajidica]

Isn't Asgard Stargate though?
I hate Stargate.