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Proposed Amendment-Vacant Presidencies

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game VI: Polls' started by mhcarver, Jun 29, 2005.

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Do you approve of the following changes?

Poll closed Jul 3, 2005.
  1. Yes

    80.0%
  2. No

    15.0%
  3. Abstain

    5.0%
  1. mhcarver

    mhcarver Newspaper Mogul

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    Do you approve of the following changes to the Consitution?
    Yes/No/Abstain and will run for a maxumum of 96 Hours

    Original Text of the current consitution:
    Code:
    5.  Vacant Offices
            a.  An official or Justice may declare themselves to be 
                Absent for a period of time. This period may not exceed 1 
                week.  During this time, the deputy or pro-tem will act 
                with all power and duties of that office, surrendering 
                them to the official or Justice when they return or at 
                the end of the planned absence, whichever comes first.
                
            b.  Should an official fail to post in the DG forum for 3
                days in a thread related to their area without prior 
                notice, the Judiciary may declare that office Vacant.
    
            c.  If a Justice has not posted on any active Judicial matter 
                for three days, the remaining Justices may declare the 
                Justice Vacant.  If all three Justices fail to post on 
                any active Judicial matter for 3 days, the President may 
                declare all Judicial offices Vacant, and immediately 
                appoint a new Chief Justice.
    
    Proposed Changes/Addition (Changes in Boldface):
    Code:
    5.  Vacant Offices
            a.  An official or Justice may declare themselves to be 
                Absent for a period of time. This period may not exceed 1 
                week.  During this time, the deputy or pro-tem will act 
                with all power and duties of that office, surrendering 
                them to the official or Justice when they return or at 
                the end of the planned absence, whichever comes first.
                
            b.  Should an official fail to post in the DG forum for 3
                days in a thread related to their area without prior 
                notice, the Judiciary may declare that office Vacant.
    
            c.  If a Justice has not posted on any active Judicial matter 
                for three days, the remaining Justices may declare the 
                Justice Vacant.  If all three Justices fail to post on 
                any active Judicial matter for 3 days, the President may 
                declare all Judicial offices Vacant, and immediately 
                appoint a new Chief Justice.
            [b]d.  If in the event that the presidential office is vacant, 
                The chief justice shall nominate a citizen for president. 
                The candidate that the chief justice nominates shall be 
                approved by both the public defender and the judge advocate.[/b]
    
    Note this is a public poll
    For this to pass 55% must vote yes and more than 37% of the census(over 11 people) must vote
     
  2. vikingruler

    vikingruler King

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    I voted yes, the changes proposed are the only courses of actions. Clearly nobody wants to or can't be president so the judges have to decide.
     
  3. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    I think Nobody did want to be Prez. ;)
     
  4. mhcarver

    mhcarver Newspaper Mogul

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    well before I go to work, :bump: to the top
     
  5. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Band-aid.

    Short-sighted.

    Does not fix the problem - only the symptom.

    -- Ravensfire
     
  6. zyxy

    zyxy Warmongering Fool

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    Maybe true. But something has to done. And fixing the problem may not be possible.

    Band-aid does help sometimes. :)
     
  7. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    I beleve Nobody has no asparations to become the top dog ;)

    I agree with zyxy. Band-aid to this wound would defenately help. Also something to put in the back of our minds when composing a set of laws for DG7.
     
  8. RegentMan

    RegentMan Deity

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    Does the nominee have a choice? What if he/she refuses to be president?
     
  9. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    The nominee has a choice wether to accept it or not. If he/she declines his or her nomination, then another person is chosen. :)
     
  10. Black_Hole

    Black_Hole Deity

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    the law doesn't specifically mention this, however I believe the defintion of nominate implies that the person gets to accept or not
     
  11. zyxy

    zyxy Warmongering Fool

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    No. This term, the presidency will be inflicted as a punishment. :lol:
     
  12. RegentMan

    RegentMan Deity

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    :lol:

    With no one accepting the presidental nomination, I don't see how this will help us. I like the idea of a member signing up for a turn chat and playing then. That way, you don't have to micro-manage those cities twice a week for a month.
     
  13. mhcarver

    mhcarver Newspaper Mogul

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    This poll has reached Quorom, the final result will be binding
     
  14. Bertie

    Bertie Prince

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    Not that my vote matters (this change will pass), but I'm voting yes even though I very much dislike this measure and don't want to see it in the next constitution. Why, then, do I vote this way? We do need a band-aid, this is expedient and makes sense for the circumstances, and considering our circumstances may be the only way to resolve our problem.
     
  15. Bootstoots

    Bootstoots Deity Retired Moderator

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    I voted no to this CoL amendment, as I do not wish to see the judiciary acting as a political body in selecting a president and not even being required to ask the citizenry about an appointment to the highest executive office. I recognize that we need a president, but surely there is a better selection method (a special, mid-term election perhaps) than this.
     
  16. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Further strike - no confirmation. Good grief people - there's a confirmation poll, built in to the law already. Use it.

    -- Ravensfire
     
  17. mhcarver

    mhcarver Newspaper Mogul

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    This poll has passed with the required quorom and vote totals, Chief Justice Civgeneral may now appoint a president
     
  18. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    Excellent, I have already went ahead and chose a sutable canidate :).
     

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