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Proposed CoL changes: Renaming Captured Cites

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game VI: Citizens' started by MOTH, Apr 1, 2005.

  1. MOTH

    MOTH Chieftain

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    The CoL is silent in regards to the naming of captured cities. I think these cities should be renamed unless the citiy was either the Original Capitol of a nation or it contains an Great Wonder.

    As such I proposed adding Section A. 1. a. 3 and A. 1. a. 3 to the Code of Laws:

    New Proposed Subsection Section:
    Code:
    A.  Citizen Rights
        1.  Naming Rights
          a.  City Names
              All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
              using a rank-based system.  The President will maintain 
              this list in a thread.  Should a citizen fail to provide a 
              city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city 
              name.  The Director of Expansion will include the city name 
              to be used in the instructions to found that city.  No 
              citizen may name more than one city until all citizens 
              have named a city.       
              1.  Ranking Order - elected officials
                  The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of 
                  Command.  All officials of an earlier term have priority
                  over officials of a later term.  Within a term, the 
                  Chain of Command will determine who has priority.  
              2.  Ranking Order - citizens
                  Once all elected officials have named cities, the 
                  Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities,  using the 
                  order citizens were registered.
              3.  Captured Cities - cities of great renown
                  When a city containing an original AI capitol or a Great
                  Wonder is captured there will be a discussion/polling on
                  whether it should be renamed.
              4.  Captured Cities - cities of no great renown
                  Will be renamed based on the date of capture using
                  the city naming list.
    Old (original) Section:
    Code:
    A.  Citizen Rights
        1.  Naming Rights
          a.  City Names
              All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
              using a rank-based system.  The President will maintain 
              this list in a thread.  Should a citizen fail to provide a 
              city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city 
              name.  The Director of Expansion will include the city name 
              to be used in the instructions to found that city.  No 
              citizen may name more than one city until all citizens 
              have named a city.       
              1.  Ranking Order - elected officials
                  The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of 
                  Command.  All officials of an earlier term have priority
                  over officials of a later term.  Within a term, the 
                  Chain of Command will determine who has priority.  
              2.  Ranking Order - citizens
                  Once all elected officials have named cities, the 
                  Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities,  using the 
                  order citizens were registered.
     
  2. CivGeneral

    CivGeneral Valkyrie Cybernetic Grand General

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    I beleve that this alright by my taste :).
     
  3. Ashburnham

    Ashburnham Chieftain

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    Looks to be an excellent addition. Good job spotting out a hole in our CoL, MOTH.
     
  4. Bertie

    Bertie Chieftain

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    Good idea. I support this change.
     
  5. cavvie

    cavvie Chieftain

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    I can see the utility of this amendment for the purpose of getting more citizen names into the game but I personally prefer keeping the names of conquered cities around to be reminded of how much we rock. Then again, I don't really like my city names that much and your proposed amendment keeping the names of cities of reknown is a good compromise.
     
  6. MOTH

    MOTH Chieftain

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    @cavvie,
    This is basically how we've done this in the past with captured cities. W haven't has the city naming in the CoL before and before did this just based on "tradition". When that tradition was then made into actual written law this part was left out. So, I'm just basically filling in an ommission.
     
  7. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Looks good to me!

    -- Ravensfire
     
  8. cavvie

    cavvie Chieftain

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    :goodjob:

    Just givin` my two cents, that's all. Thanks for the info.
     
  9. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    I'd say post a mock poll for the 24 hour minimum review. When all the court members have checked in we can proceed with a JR. :goodjob:
     
  10. MOTH

    MOTH Chieftain

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    Mock Poll:

    Do you approve of the following addition to the Code Of Laws:

    Yes/No/Abstain

    Addition of Section A. 1. a. 3 and A. 1. a. 4 to the Code of Laws as follows:

    New Proposed Subsection Section:
    Code:
    A.  Citizen Rights
        1.  Naming Rights
          a.  City Names
              All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
              using a rank-based system.  The President will maintain 
              this list in a thread.  Should a citizen fail to provide a 
              city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city 
              name.  The Director of Expansion will include the city name 
              to be used in the instructions to found that city.  No 
              citizen may name more than one city until all citizens 
              have named a city.       
              1.  Ranking Order - elected officials
                  The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of 
                  Command.  All officials of an earlier term have priority
                  over officials of a later term.  Within a term, the 
                  Chain of Command will determine who has priority.  
              2.  Ranking Order - citizens
                  Once all elected officials have named cities, the 
                  Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities,  using the 
                  order citizens were registered.
              3.  Captured Cities - cities of great renown
                  When a city containing an original AI capitol or a Great
                  Wonder is captured there will be a discussion/polling on
                  whether it should be renamed.
              4.  Captured Cities - cities of no great renown
                  Will be renamed based on the date of capture using
                  the city naming list.
    Old (original) Section:
    Code:
    A.  Citizen Rights
        1.  Naming Rights
          a.  City Names
              All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
              using a rank-based system.  The President will maintain 
              this list in a thread.  Should a citizen fail to provide a 
              city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city 
              name.  The Director of Expansion will include the city name 
              to be used in the instructions to found that city.  No 
              citizen may name more than one city until all citizens 
              have named a city.       
              1.  Ranking Order - elected officials
                  The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of 
                  Command.  All officials of an earlier term have priority
                  over officials of a later term.  Within a term, the 
                  Chain of Command will determine who has priority.  
              2.  Ranking Order - citizens
                  Once all elected officials have named cities, the 
                  Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities,  using the 
                  order citizens were registered.
     
  11. mhcarver

    mhcarver Newspaper Mogul

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    I like this and whatever it.
     
  12. mad-bax

    mad-bax Chieftain GOTM Staff

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    Yes. It just puts right an oversight. It's fine by me. :)
     
  13. blackheart

    blackheart unenlightened

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    Ditto with everyone who has agreed.
     
  14. Furiey

    Furiey No Longer Just Lurking

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    Something that I could see leading to disagreements:

    The time taken for the discussion/polling process for cities of great renown will probably mean that further cities will be captured while this is going on. Should the city of great renown if it is renamed take a name in the original sequence or not? If it is renamed and a citizen's/leader's name is used then the ones subsequently capured would have to be delayed to keep the sequence or the arguements that we have seen in previous demogames over that should have been my city will arise again. Perhaps it would be simpler to say that cities of great renown will not be renamed and leave it at that.

    On the poll, as it is an addition and not a change it might make it simpler to just put the section of the CoL up once with the addition marked in another colour for clarity, otherwise the reader has to compare all the unchanged stuff just to check it is unchanged.
     
  15. MOTH

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    Good points furiey. I'm fine with not renaming the big cites. Make more sense for the tourist attraction aspect of wonders.

    Any other thoughts before I repost a mock poll?
     
  16. mad-bax

    mad-bax Chieftain GOTM Staff

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    This won't happen of course, but I think it would be quite nice give cities of great renown the name of the city they were built in in real life.
     
  17. LeeT911

    LeeT911 Eloquent Silence

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    While I like the sound of mad-bax's idea, what would we do if the AI were to build the Pyramids and the Oracle in the same city? Or if we capture the city holding the Oracle but the Greeks are in the game?

    On another note, I fully support this addition.
     
  18. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    please feel to go ahead and run this through the system, and it will be handled expediently.
     
  19. MOTH

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    Another Mock Poll taking the practicalities pointed out by Furiey into account:

    Do you approve of the following addition to the Code Of Laws:

    Yes/No/Abstain

    Addition of Section A. 1. a. 3 and A. 1. a. 4 to the Code of Laws as follows:

    New Proposed Subsection Section (additions in blue:
    Code:
    A.  Citizen Rights
        1.  Naming Rights
          a.  City Names
              All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
              using a rank-based system.  The President will maintain 
              this list in a thread.  Should a citizen fail to provide a 
              city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city 
              name.  The Director of Expansion will include the city name 
              to be used in the instructions to found that city.  No 
              citizen may name more than one city until all citizens 
              have named a city.       
              1.  Ranking Order - elected officials
                  The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of 
                  Command.  All officials of an earlier term have priority
                  over officials of a later term.  Within a term, the 
                  Chain of Command will determine who has priority.  
              2.  Ranking Order - citizens
                  Once all elected officials have named cities, the 
                  Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities,  using the 
                  order citizens were registered.
     [COLOR=Blue]         3.  Captured Cities - cities of great renown
                  When a city containing an original AI capitol or a Great
                  Wonder is captured it will not be renamed.
              4.  Captured Cities - cities of no great renown
                  Will be renamed based on the date of capture using
                  the city naming list.[/COLOR]
     
  20. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    MOTH excellent amendment proposal, I look forward to add it to our laws.
    I wish we had the same stringent judicial regime last DG.
     

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