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Proposed Team SANCTA constitution.

Discussion in 'Team SANCTA' started by General_W, Dec 8, 2008.

  1. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    A proposed constitution for team SANCTA.


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    WOTSAN
    ~ Way of the Super Awesome Ninja ~

    WOTSAN I – the Art of Authority
    1) This constitution shall govern the running and operations of Team SANCTA. Any MTDG game rules that are established, or any rulings from the game administrators will override anything written here.

    2) Our team shall be known as "Team SANCTA!" – or, in long form – "The Super Awesome Ninjas – Cult of the Triple Alliance" and we are playing William van Oranje of the Dutch Empire. ​


    WOTSAN II – The Art of Governance
    1) Citizens
    A citizen is any person who has joined Team SANCTA and has not withdrawn from the game. If someone from an eliminated team wishes to join our team, they may be accepted as a new citizen by the majority vote of all currently active citizens. Once a citizen, you have all the rights and privileges that citizenship grants.

    Specifically, Citizens have the right to vote in all polls and elections, read anything in our forums, post their thoughts and opinions anywhere, and the right to run for any office they’d like.

    2) Leadership & Decision Making
    Team SANCTA will be led by a "Shogun" who alone has the power to implement the will of the people in the game. The Shogun will be elected by a majority of currently active citizens (ie, citizens that voted in the election). The Shogun will be aided in understanding and implementing the will of the people by the Council of Three Daimyo. The Daimyo will have no direct authority – but will rather serve as information gathers, organizers, and will hold the responsibility of reporting the "will of the team" to the Shogun. In the event the team is divided on a course of action, the Daimyo responsible for that area shall have the final say.

    3) The Shogun
    - The Shogun shall be the head of the government and will play the save – however, the Shogun is obligated to follow the will of Team SANCTA to the best of his ability. In the event that no clear orders exist, or if there is confusion, or general lack of clear team will - the Shogun will have the final call and make the final decision.
    - In the event of a planned absence, the Shogun may appoint any citizen he'd like to fill in for him while he is away.
    - If the Shogun is unexpectedly absent, and there is less than 6 hours remaining on our team turn timer, then any of the Council of Three Daimyo are empowered to play the save as temporary Shogun. If less than 2 hours remain on the team turn-timer without word from the Shogun or any of the Daimyo, any citizen should take the mantel of temporary Shogun and play the save.

    4) The Council of Three Daimyo
    - The Council of Three Daimyo shall be made up of a Daimyo of Domestics, Daimyo of State, and the Daimyo of War. Their specific areas of responsibility are outlined below:
    • Daimyo of Domestics: Shall be responsible for managing and maintaining the Team SANCTA Domestics Thread. This thread will be for the solicitation of the "will of the team" on all matters regarding city builds and citizen assignments, economy slider settings, civic settings, religion, new settlements, workers, and wonders.
      The Daimyo of Domestics shall be responsible to post regular orders for the Shogun to follow in the "Turn Orders" thread.
    • Daimyo of State: Shall be responsible for managing and maintaining the Team SANCTA Embassy & Nexus threads. These threads will be for the solicitation of the "will of the team" on all matters dealing with foreign relations, trades, alliances, correspondence, and declarations of war and peace.
      The Daimyo of State shall be responsible to post regular orders for the Shogun to follow in the "Turn Orders" thread.
    • Daimyo of War: Shall be responsible for managing and maintaining the Team SANCTA Military & Exploration threads. These threads will be for the solicitation of the "will of the team" on all matters dealing with unit movement (other than workers or settlers). The Daimyo of War shall also be responsible for gathering team opinion on any potential active espionage actions (passive actions – ie: sliders – are controlled by domestics)
      The Daimyo of War shall be responsible to post regular orders for the Shogun to follow in the "Turn Orders" thread.

    5) Elections
    - Elections for the office of Shogun & The Council of Three may be called by any citizen at any time. (But no election for any single office shall be held within 1 month of a previous election for that same position). Any citizen of Team SANCTA may be nominated, or nominate themselves, for the position, provided they own BtS and can access the PitBoss server. The official election poll shall be a public poll open for 5 days. Winner of the majority vote shall immediately become the new the new Shogun (or Daimyo) upon the close of the poll.
    - The sitting Shogun or any Daimyo may call for snap elections for their own position at any time, regardless of when the last election for their post was held. These snap election polls only need to be open for 1 to 3 days at the discretion of the official calling for the election, but they will not count against the "1 month waiting period" for normal citizen called elections.


    WOTSAN III – The Art of Organization
    - All primary information and discussion of all Team SANCTA matters will be organized in the following 8 threads:
    • Played Turns: Only the currently elected Shogun should post in this thread. It will serve as a log of all played turns, and the Shogun is obligated to provide sufficient and timely updates on each turn played. Questions about anything in this thread should be posted in the "General Turn Discussion" thread.
    • General Turn Discussion: This thread is for asking questions about anything in the Turn Update thread posted by the Shogun – or for items too general, too broad, or too immediate to fit neatly into one of the other threads.
    • Die Schlapphüte: This thread will be for collecting screenshots of the demographics screen and for discussion of those findings. Once espionage has come into force, this thread may also be used for discussion and analysis of general espionage findings.
    • Embassy Threads: The Daimyo of State shall create a new Embassy thread for each opponent team that we encounter. The Embassy thread will then serve as the hub for discussion and decision making about all activities related to that opponent.
    • Nexus: The Daimyo of State shall create and maintain a Nexus thread for the collection of the most up-to-date general information about every opponent for ease of reference – particularly for citizens of Team SANCTA who cannot access the PitBoss server.
    • Exploration: The Daimyo of War shall create and maintain an Exploration thread once we have more than 1 or 2 units assigned to exploring. This thread will be for the solicitation of the will of the team on the activities of these units – as well as how/if to name them.
    • Military Command: The Daimyo of War shall create and maintain an this thread once we have more than 1 or 2 non-exploring units with an attack value. This thread will collect team opinion on defensive positioning, attack plans, general unit orders, and naming for any units desired. Decisions about active acts of espionage will also be decided in this thread.
    • Domestics: The Daimyo of Domestics shall create and maintain this thread for all key decision making on running our cities, economy, technology, etc. This thread will also house discussion and decision making on naming cities, workers, settlers, and any terrain features.


    WOTSAN IV. The Art of Change
    This Way of the Super Awesome Ninja may be amended in 2 ways
    A) Factual/typographical errors: Any citizen may point these out and have them corrected.
    B) Substantive changes: If something significant needs to be changed, a unanimous vote by the Shogun and The Council of Three Daimyo, or a 2/3 vote by the citizens, and the constitution will be changed. ​


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    Whew!
    That's a start anyway… should get conversation going! :D

    What do you think?
    Let's hammer this out so we can put something to a vote.
     
  2. AutomatedTeller

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    A couple of things:

    I like it so far ;)

    Do we expect a problem with accepting people from eliminated teams? Unless there have been problems in the past, I'm thinking more of a "we will accept refugees, unless a majority vote of citizens is taken to reject a specific refugee" -

    We should allow for the Shogun or one of the Daimyo's to call for special elections if they are unable to continue in their roles for a short (or long) time and less than a month has passed.
     
  3. Viva_Chingon

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    I have some ideas about this that I will, hopefully, post sometime tomorrow. My initial impression is that most of the concepts are sound and are supported by comments in our team forum.

    One question though that is quick...

    Is our name 'Team SANCTA!' -or- 'Team SANCTA'? To be honest, I prefer the former. There is something special about seeing our team name's acronym and an exclamation point together that makes me giddy! :)
     
  4. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Glad you gentlemen generally like it! :)

    There have been no problems in the past, that I know of.
    I like this change! I'll update the text above if no one objects?


    Annother great idea :thumbsup:
    I'll go make this change right now...


    Actually - that was just a typo on my part.
    But I agree with you... I kinda like it.

    We already voted in "team SANCTA" thought.... what do others think?
     
  5. Viva_Chingon

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    After reading through it again I like it for the most part. I agree with making the change/addition that AutoTeller suggested.

    My understanding is that the Daimyo is to maintain threads/polls (if any) for Citizenry Discussion/Voting purposes and also is responsible for assembling the "citizen's will" into a standardized/concise list of orders for the upcoming turn. Is this correct?

    Truthfully, the only issues I have is with the language and that, really, is a non-issue! :)
     
  6. Ronnie1

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    I am fine with it as is....let's try not to get too complex.
     
  7. remake20

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    I fine with it. Are we going to elect new daimyo. Or is the ones we start with the ones we keep. Any way I would like to run for Daimyo of War.
     
  8. Whomp

    Whomp Keep Calm and Carry On Retired Moderator

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    As a traditonal anarchist in MTDG's I disagree with all of it. As a member of this team I like it. The only thing I would say is it would seem positions should change on a more scheduled basis for the non anarchists in the crowd. For the anarchist in me coups at a moments notice sound much better. :D
     
  9. Karhu

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    Might we substitute "WOT" for "Tao" and get the TaoSAN constitution? Or Tao of the Super Awesome Ninja. Tao would be the word Sun Tzu would have used in his Art of War and loosely translates to "the way of". This is an atheistic thing, so no big deal.

    I'm lov'n the "Art of..." bit. Nice touch.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see us as William or Dutch. We are Super Awesome Ninjas. As such, I'd like to lose the Red.

    I'd remove "anywhere", as there are forums we don't want anyone posting in, such as the turn report thread.

    Shogun & Daimyo bit look good. Again, nice touch. ;)

    Ah, you even have the Art of Change! I was sure I'd get you on that one.

    Looks good! Nice work General. :salute:
     
  10. remake20

    remake20 :)

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    Grammatically it would be WotSAN not WOTSAN.
     
  11. Viva_Chingon

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    You might consider not making comments regarding someone's grammar in a thread where your previous post looks like the one above. Besides, all caps looks better, IMO. :)

    EDIT:
    Karhu is saying what I was thinking...I agree with his suggestions and, if anyone cares, have some more to add... :lol:
     
  12. Memphus

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    i like it...
     
  13. General_W

    General_W Councilor & Merlot Noble

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    Awesome comments Karhu! I love TaoSAN!

    And I get what you're saying about the William van Oranje of the Dutch thing… I just put that in there for the sake of new people that might join our team and wonder what Civ we're playing. But I suppose that's irrelevant anyway. Too late to change it even if we wanted to!
    I'll delete that line.

    Ditto for the "anywhere" item. Good catch.


    Glad you liked the rest! :D


    @Viva – sure – toss out your other ideas if you'd like.
    I don't think we need to get too nit-picky with the language. The main thing is to get the ideas across. I don't think we want this to be a rigid constitution as much as we want it to be a guide to how our team works. Both for us and for late joining members.

    :lol: - you should have seen the constitution for Epsilon. Easily 2x or 3x longer than this one! :ack:
    The reason I suggest abandoning regularly scheduled elections is because, in my experience, the team tends to settle into the roles they like best anyway. Once we find those roles, there's no need to have elections every 20 turns (or whatever) just to re-formalize what we're already doing.
    If enough people want regular elections, however, I'm not opposed to the idea.

    Here's version 2 for any final comments before I put this up for a vote:

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    TaoSAN
    ~ Way of the Super Awesome Ninja ~

    TaoSAN I – the Art of Authority
    1) This constitution shall govern the running and operations of Team SANCTA. Any MTDG game rules that are established, or any rulings from the game administrators will override anything written here.

    2) Our team shall be known as "Team SANCTA" – or, in long form – "The Super Awesome Ninjas – Cult of the Triple Alliance."


    TaoSAN II – The Art of Governance
    1) Citizens
    A citizen is any person who has joined Team SANCTA and has not withdrawn from the game. If someone from an eliminated team wishes to join our team, they will be accepted as a new citizen unless the majority of all (non-refugee) citizens vote to reject a specific refugee. Once a citizen, you have all the rights and privileges that citizenship grants.

    Specifically, Citizens have the right to vote in all polls and elections, read anything in our forums, post their thoughts and opinions, and have the right to run for any office they’d like.

    2) Leadership & Decision Making
    Team SANCTA will be led by a "Shogun" who alone has the power to implement the will of the people in the game. The Shogun will be elected by a majority of currently active citizens (ie, citizens that voted in the election). The Shogun will be aided in understanding and implementing the will of the people by the Council of Three Daimyo. The Daimyo will have no direct authority – but will rather serve as information gathers, organizers, and will hold the responsibility of reporting the "will of the team" to the Shogun. In the event the team is divided on a course of action, the Daimyo responsible for that area shall have the final say.

    3) The Shogun
    - The Shogun shall be the head of the government and will play the save – however, the Shogun is obligated to follow the will of Team SANCTA to the best of his ability. In the event that no clear orders exist, or if there is confusion, or general lack of clear team will - the Shogun will have the final call and make the final decision.
    - In the event of a planned absence, the Shogun may appoint any citizen he'd like to fill in for him while he is away.
    - If the Shogun is unexpectedly absent, and there is less than 6 hours remaining on our team turn timer, then any of the Council of Three Daimyo are empowered to play the save as temporary Shogun. If less than 2 hours remain on the team turn-timer without word from the Shogun or any of the Daimyo, any citizen should take the mantel of temporary Shogun and play the save.
    -The Shogun is obligated to post turn updates based on each save he plays to report to the team on what happened. These updates should be thorough to the best of the Shogun's ability. Screenshots are highly encouraged.

    4) The Council of Three Daimyo
    - The Council of Three Daimyo shall be made up of a Daimyo of Domestics, Daimyo of State, and the Daimyo of War. Their specific areas of responsibility are outlined below:
    • Daimyo of Domestics: Shall be responsible for managing and maintaining the Team SANCTA Domestics Thread. This thread will be for the solicitation of the "will of the team" on all matters regarding city builds and citizen assignments, economy slider settings, civic settings, religion, new settlements, workers, and wonders.
      The Daimyo of Domestics shall be responsible to post regular orders for the Shogun to follow in the "Turn Orders" thread.
    • Daimyo of State: Shall be responsible for managing and maintaining the Team SANCTA Embassy & Nexus threads. These threads will be for the solicitation of the "will of the team" on all matters dealing with foreign relations, trades, alliances, correspondence, and declarations of war and peace.
      The Daimyo of State shall be responsible to post regular orders for the Shogun to follow in the "Turn Orders" thread.
    • Daimyo of War: Shall be responsible for managing and maintaining the Team SANCTA Military & Exploration threads. These threads will be for the solicitation of the "will of the team" on all matters dealing with unit movement (other than workers or settlers). The Daimyo of War shall also be responsible for gathering team opinion on any potential active espionage actions (passive actions – ie: sliders – are controlled by domestics)
      The Daimyo of War shall be responsible to post regular orders for the Shogun to follow in the "Turn Orders" thread.

    5) Elections
    - Elections for the office of Shogun & The Council of Three may be called by any citizen at any time. (But no election for any single office shall be held within 1 month of a previous election for that same position). Any citizen of Team SANCTA may be nominated, or nominate themselves, for the position, provided they own BtS and can access the PitBoss server. The official election poll shall be a public poll open for 5 days. Winner of the majority vote shall immediately become the new the new Shogun (or Daimyo) upon the close of the poll.
    - The sitting Shogun or any Daimyo may call for snap elections for their own position at any time, regardless of when the last election for their post was held. These snap election polls only need to be open for 1 to 3 days at the discretion of the official calling for the election, but they will not count against the "1 month waiting period" for normal citizen called elections.


    TaoSAN III – The Art of Organization
    - All primary information and discussion of all Team SANCTA matters will be organized in the following 8 threads:
    • Played Turns: Only the currently elected Shogun should post in this thread. It will serve as a log of all played turns, and the Shogun is obligated to provide sufficient and timely updates on each turn played. Questions about anything in this thread should be posted in the "General Turn Discussion" thread.
    • General Turn Discussion: This thread is for asking questions about anything in the Turn Update thread posted by the Shogun – or for items too general, too broad, or too immediate to fit neatly into one of the other threads.
    • Die Schlapphüte: This thread will be for collecting screenshots of the demographics screen and for discussion of those findings. Once espionage has come into force, this thread may also be used for discussion and analysis of general espionage findings.
    • Embassy Threads: The Daimyo of State shall create a new Embassy thread for each opponent team that we encounter. The Embassy thread will then serve as the hub for discussion and decision making about all activities related to that opponent.
    • Nexus: The Daimyo of State shall create and maintain a Nexus thread for the collection of the most up-to-date general information about every opponent for ease of reference – particularly for citizens of Team SANCTA who cannot access the PitBoss server.
    • Exploration: The Daimyo of War shall create and maintain an Exploration thread once we have more than 1 or 2 units assigned to exploring. This thread will be for the solicitation of the will of the team on the activities of these units – as well as how/if to name them.
    • Military Command: The Daimyo of War shall create and maintain an this thread once we have more than 1 or 2 non-exploring units with an attack value. This thread will collect team opinion on defensive positioning, attack plans, general unit orders, and naming for any units desired. Decisions about active acts of espionage will also be decided in this thread.
    • Domestics: The Daimyo of Domestics shall create and maintain this thread for all key decision making on running our cities, economy, technology, etc. This thread will also house discussion and decision making on naming cities, workers, settlers, and any terrain features.


    TaoSAN IV. The Art of Change
    This Way of the Super Awesome Ninja may be amended in 2 ways
    A) Factual/typographical errors: Any citizen may point these out and have them corrected.
    B) Substantive changes: If something significant needs to be changed, a unanimous vote by the Shogun and The Council of Three Daimyo, or a 2/3 vote by the citizens, and the constitution will be changed. ​


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    Any final comments?
     
  14. AutomatedTeller

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    It's super awesome!!!
     
  15. Viva_Chingon

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    In that case, I think it does an awesome a super awesome job already.
     
  16. Ronnie1

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    I still want to name our starting warrior...I suggested Bear Chum earlier...but I think I like Bear Bait better!

    And the proposed constitution is still super awesome!
     
  17. Karhu

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    OH! I'd second Bear Bait! I like that!
    Does this post need additional "!!!"?
     
  18. Theoden

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    It really is super awesome. :D

    Anyway, would it make sense to have "The Council of Three Daimyo" named "The Daijō-kan of Three Daimyo"? I just stumbled upon it (it seems it was the department of state at some point), and I'm not sure if it would be correct to use at all?

    "'And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head.'" - Terry Pratchett, in "Maskerade"

    ;)
     
  19. Karhu

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    six exclamation marks actually!!! So what does that mean champ???!!!
    *Karhu checks self to make sure all clothing is in proper location*
     

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