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Protectorate War (Casus Belli)

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by RawlsRorty, Oct 27, 2016.

  1. RawlsRorty

    RawlsRorty Chieftain

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    Anyone else having trouble with the Protectorate War Casus Belli? I'm playing a game in which Brazil conquered Geneva. I was suzerain of Geneva when it was conquered. I've researched the required civic, but I can't use a protectorate war casus belli to get Geneva back. Any pointers?
     
  2. dexters

    dexters Gods & Emperors Supporter

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    I'm unclear on this myself. Do they need to be suzerain at time they were defeated or does the game allow a more lax threshold.
    .Only thing I can think of is you lost Suzerain before it was taken over. /speculation
     
  3. valamas

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    This topic interests me. I am hoping to come across the situation or hear from someone that does.

    Honestly. Only in my 3rd game and the most i have seen as an option in Casus Belli is formal war.

    Im learning more all the time! Love this game and will more with each patch.
     
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  4. skyclad

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    Ive not tried using it yet myself. The problem is that the AI usually lilla city states in the Ancient or classical era then leave them alone. So it comes too late... This should come at classical! Or scale back AI city state aggression in early eras.
    Also give CS free resources for upgrade and more ammenities... Their rebels kill them! ​
     
  5. Leyrann

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    Isn't it so that you have to declare a protectorate war before the city-state is conquered, and else declare a war of liberation?
     
  6. Animist7

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    I haven't been in a situation where I've wanted to declare a protectorate war before so I can't say but perhaps you have to denounce first to get the casus belli option? Dunno. If not, then perhaps you did lose suzerain status just before Brazil's invasion.

    Alternatively I *believe* that if you don't get the protectorate war option you can still declare a formal war, take the warmongering penalty and then when you liberate Geneva your warmongering penalty is erased. I'm not entirely sure but I believe that to be the case.
     
  7. pietro1990

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    You can only use protective war when the Ai declares war on the city state when it has been conquered you can't use it. you have to use it before Ai takes it out.

    So lets say germany atacks geneva you use protective war..

    but if germany atacks geneva and conquers it before you use protective war you can't use it

    yep there is no liberation citry state causic belli wich is annoying.


    The protective war olso comes to late in the game you can't stop other civs in medievel era from taking city states.

    Holy war should olso become earlier
     
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  8. skyclad

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    The devs dont want us to fight too much and see how bad the AI is. So they invent warmonger penalties ;)
     
  9. MarkJohnson

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    I couldn't find an answer. But I went ahead and did a Protectorate War against Norway. I was suzerain of Jerusalem and Norway and France were both at war with Jerusalem when I was at war with 4 other civs.

    I got a pop-up saying I could declare a Protectorate War against France, but France only had a few units, while Norway had over a dozen units. After getting my land units in place a few turns later, I declared protectorate war (no WM penalties) vs Norway and it kicked Norway out of Jerusalem completely and half of his units were next or behind my border units.

    I could not levy Jerusalem. It said 0 gold was required. He had no army, but had a single builder in the city.

    But it seems you declare the Protectorate War when a city state you are suzerain becomes DoW by another civ. Then you come to their rescue with zero war weariness.
     
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  10. Kyro

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    Ahh this. Did you denounce the perpetrator in question first?

    By extension if the perpetrator is a declared friend then you can't do anything about it because you can't denounce or declare wars on declared friends.

    Oh and it's not available early on when most of the city state conquering takes place which is kinda redundant,
     
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  11. MarkJohnson

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    I didn't have to denounce as both Norway and France already had me denounced. Everyone had me denounced. lol

    I don't make friends in this game. I trying to do it with my cultural victory as it is reliant on cooperation and open borders. I'm not used to this. But I'm finding it useful now that I am more forced to use these tactics. Same with espionage.

    I really like this civ6 version of the game. It has a lot more versatility in the victory conditions and switching victory types isn't too hard most of the time. I just hope they balance things out more in the next patch. Although I just read earlier that they are adding more to the religion mechanics. I assume the new civs will be religious ones.

    Here's the announcement for the Fall patch.
    http://steamcommunity.com/games/289070/announcements/detail/1465218389866257024
     
  12. sonicmyst

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    Protectorate war will be enabled if an enemy civ attacks a city state that you are suzerain. Declare protectorate war on that attacking civ while they have not yet captured the CS.
     
  13. Victoria

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    AND a denouncement is in place for 5 turns as @Kyro said.. or for them to have denounced you (no 5 turn required)

    You really have to catch a civ early to stop them taking it. You should not need a 5 turn wait for this.
     
  14. Archon_Wing

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    Is that really intended that most CB require a denouncement? I could not Holy War until I denounced, and I thought it was pretty obvious what was going on.

    And also, why can't we ask them to stop being mean to our CS's? At least Civ 5, the AI was like so smug about it.
     
  15. Kyro

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    The developers wanted more war in Civ 6 so if they gave us this option we could actually settle situations peacefully and for some reason they didn't like it. Just played a game as Alexander in Civ 5 and I was happily bribing Genghis Khan to stop attacking my city states every time. I wonder why that option was removed....Oh Right if players can bribe AI to go to war then they can avoid war with shrewd diplomacy...guess we can't have that either.
     
  16. Archon_Wing

    Archon_Wing Vote for me or die

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    Well, Civ 5's City States felt more involved.

    You could support them indirectly by gifting them units, which lowered your own maintenance costs or pledge to protect. That required no action on your part and might have just been a political move but threatening action makes things more interesting.Indirect actions and proxy wars let you be aggressive without outright warring. Right now, we can't even embargo anyone, not that it matters since you can live off internal trade.

    In Civ 6, sometimes a City State dies, and i have no idea what happened, so they're just incredibly devalued.

    And these things were largely in place as a concept from the start so none of this "hurf durf, wait for an imaginary expansion to fix everything"
     

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