Protest the TSA. Nov 24 is National Opt-Out Day.

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The TSA has installed hundreds of full body scanners that use millimeter-wave and X-rays to screen passengers at domestic airports.

Ironically the images from these scanners would probably be infraction-worthy if I were to post them as they show the human body completely exposed, bits and all.

We were told that blurring is added and the images are immediately discarded after you are cleared through security. Of course there is no law requiring TSA to discard images, it has been revealed that the machines DO have a memory function, and since blurring is ADDED that means the crystal clear naked image is on the machine somewhere and probably accessible. A TSA worker has been arrested for assault when coworkers made fun of his small size after he went through machines as part of a training session.

In addition to the privacy concerns, the fact that this is a virtual strip search, and the potential for TSA drones storing and abusing these images, there's the question of health.

How safe are these machines? Well, airline pilots are refusing to go through them. The machines produce a "small" amount of radiation, according to TSA. That's true averaged over the whole body, but nearly all the radiation is absorbed by the skin - that's what produces those sharp images. Radiation has a cumulative risk - there's a reason your dentist is never in the room when you do your X-rays. Scientists at UCSF have raised warnings about the risk of skin, breast, and testicular cancer. And all of this is assuming that the machines are used as designed. I trust a degree-earning, malpractice-liable doctor to X-ray me - but how about a poorly trained, poorly motivated, functionally above-the-law Epsilon?

And then there's this: "Since the attempted bombing of a US airliner on Christmas Day, former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff has given dozens of media interviews touting the need for the federal government to buy more full-body scanners for airports. What he has made little mention of is that the Chertoff Group, his security consulting agency, includes a client that manufactures the machines."


That's right, your strip-searches are making a tidy profit for former Skeletor impersonator Chertoff.

Not all passengers are selected to go through the "advanced imaging technology" (AIT) scanners. You might be selected for this additional layer of screening if you set off the metal detectors. However, quite predictably, it has been reported at some airports that the TSA has placed the new AIT scanners next to the old walk through metal detectors, and when the line for WTMDs gets too long they are diverting hundreds of passengers through the AITs with no justification for this intrusive level of search.

You have a right to avoid a 4th-Amendment-violating assault on your privacy and health by saying "I opt out."

Now here's the bad news. The TSA treats opt-outers to a full body pat down, the kind used on convicted criminals. First they will yell "NEED A PAT DOWN" or something similar, drag the victim over to a ringed area (that is in full view of everyone passing through the WTMDs, naturally) and give a thorough pat down down the front, back, and up the thighs. People who have experienced it have come close to likening it to sexual assault. Even small children have been subjected to the pat down.

If you have any doubts about how closely TSA screens its hires, then what sort of people do you think are going to be working there now that the news is full of stories that employees can touch people in ways that would be considered sexual assault in any other context, and even get your face rearranged by a strip club bouncer?

Like a military flogging, the pat down is intended to be a painful, humiliating experience for the victim, and an intimidating warning to everyone else who is forced to watch.

However there is an answer.

First, if you can stop flying, DO SO. Boycott the airlines until the rules change.

If you must fly, be aware Nov 24 is National Opt Out Day.


Right and left, people across the political spectrum are coming together to say that THIS GOES TOO FAR.

Passengers across the nation will refuse to go in the machines, exercise their Constitutional rights, and force the TSA to pat down thousands of passengers. They will do everything from delivering prepared statements to people walking through the metal detectors, to doing a Meg Ryan impression from When Harry Met Sally.

If you fly before or after Nov 24, you can opt out as well! Try to make the process as public as possible and resist all attempts to humiliate or "make an example" of you. When the TSA Epsilons drag you over to be patted down, loudly ask how much the tip rate is, or threaten to wear a kilt next time.

Only when the process is unbearable for everyone involved, will there be change.

This IS NOT civil disobedience.
You have a right to opt out of the scanners. TSA is just calculating that by making the opt out experience as unbearable as possible, they can intimidate the vast majority of passengers into getting into the DNA-frying machines.

Show TSA they're wrong. Make it unbearable for THEM. Opt out on or before Nov 24.
 
Whoever came up with this crap should be hanged publicly. We have FREEDOMS! And you stupid, cursed government have NO RIGHT to do this to us! We are a FREE PEOPLE! And we have rights to FREEDOM!

I have no doubt Jefferson would just stage a revolution. This is crap. The people who came up with this law should have this happen to them. Nobody else.

This really makes me angry. Subject the people who did this to these things, and then have them executed.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

People who hate freedom should GET THE HECK OUT OF MY COUNTRY :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Just make erotic moaning noises during the pat-down. That'll learn 'em. :p
 
Well unfortunately if they did not check for concealed explosives in the groin area through either a full body scanner (Least intrusive option) or a pat-down there would be a glaring security risk.

I think we need this kind of security, because if we don't close all the holes then we are setting ourselves up for another terrorist attack.
 
Just make erotic moaning noises during the pat-down. That'll learn 'em. :p

I'd definitely consider smacking the guy.

And It should be a capital offense to do this. Its sexual assault and should get you a public hanging, in full view of everyone.

If you love freedom, you should want these people in prison or dead.

@Xanikk- You have a fair(er) point here, but still, liberty trumps security. If you want to, allow airport security to carry pistols and shoot them on sight if you catch a bomb.

But no illegal searches. Read the Constitution.

If they have a warrant, sure.

But they don't. So they need to leave us alone.
 
Did anyone see the bit on Conan last night with the TSA agent sniffing the dudes hair and feeding him chocolate-covered strawberries? I loved it. :D
 
Well unfortunately if they did not check for concealed explosives in the groin area through either a full body scanner (Least intrusive option) or a pat-down there would be a glaring security risk.

Where do you think the next underwear bomber is going to stow his C4 now that his Y-fronts are being scrutinized by federal employees?
 
Where do you think the next underwear bomber is going to stow his C4 now that his Y-fronts are being scrutinized by federal employees?

Probably surgically insert it into his body. That's why in all honesty everyone should go through the screeners and pat downs should not be an option.

They really do need to discard the data afterwords and stop being so childish about peoples penis sizes.
 
That's, um, that's a tad drastic, don't you think? :huh:

Probably. But I still wouldn't subject myself to it. Its abuse and I wouldn't stand for it.

We should petition Obama to have all these people who follow this regulation by the TSA and do this pat-down be arrested or executed. If he cares about freedom at all, he'll listen to us. But he probably won't.

Sad thing is, Bush would have done the same thing. (And he did to a lesser extent with the USA Patriot Act.)

A better option would be to allow a security officer to fly on the plane with a concealed pistol. If a terrorist attack happens, authorize them to shoot.

Moderator Action: Three posts for wishing for execution of people for doing their job.
You need to calm down.

Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889
 
A better option would be to allow a security officer to fly on the plane with a concealed pistol. If a terrorist attack happens, authorize them to shoot.

I would go a step further and have at least two officers both of them without any uniform just in case the first was overpowered.

That is all we need to stop in-flight terrorists like the kind that caused the events of 9-11.
 
Probably surgically insert it into his body.

or stuff it up his butt. So now cavity searches for everyone?

The underwear bomber would not even have been stopped by the AIT machines because he was using low-density explosives, unlike the guns and knives shown in "promotional" pictures of the scanners at work.

The truth is TSA is not a line of defense, it is security theater. We have two lines of defense. First our intelligence agencies, second the actual passengers on board the plane.

Every terrorist plot I can think of that was stopped, has either been foiled by the intelligence agencies, or by airline passengers.


That's why in all honesty everyone should go through the screener's and pat downs should not be an option.

The TSA cannot legally do that because the scanner is a flagrant violation of 4th-amendment rights.

They can do everything SHORT of making everyone go through the scanners. They can fail to inform people verbally or with information signs that an opt-out is legal. They can intimidate opt-outers with a pat down.

But they cannot force you to get in the machine and be strip searched.



You should be ashamed for proposing an even more draconian and unAmerican idea than the TSA itself.
 
I agree with the above, and have no problem with that.

And my problem with the above isn't that its unfair to terrorists, but that its unfair to innocents. Read the fourth amendment.

This law is intolerable. Impeach the idiot who passed it.

If I were a state governor of my state, I'd kick the TSA out of my state and privatize all airports within the borders. And arm my militia in case they decide to do something about it.
 
I'm actually beginning to wonder if anyone does think that these measures are reasonable. Opinions seem to vary from non-committal mumbling to out-right condemnation, but I've yet to hear any particularly enthusiastic defence.
 
and they don't even buy you dinner first. What, do they think I'm easy??
 
I'm actually beginning to wonder if anyone does think that these measures are reasonable. Opinions seem to vary from non-committal mumbling to out-right condemnation, but I've yet to hear any particularly enthusiastic defence.

This is the only way we can ensure our country stays safe from terrorism. Domestic security is the answer, not this "War on Terror".

I am all for this if it means we can stop invading other countries and enforcing democracy since it is pointless to try to change other people's cultures.
 
This is the only way we can ensure our country stays safe from terrorism.

A wrong and poorly informed opinion.

Opinions seem to vary from non-committal mumbling

I have even seen people post tips on that:

How to play the TSA morons: They're a lot like cops, only much, much dumber and meaner. As with cops, you should always try to come off as friendly, a little bit dimwitted, and totally cooperative. Dress in business casual clothes, and try not to have any metal on you when you get to the security checkpoint. Do everything you can in advance; don't wait until the last second to remove your shoes, etc. If you're male, have your hair cut short and be clean-shaven. Definitely don't have an accent, don't smart off, and try to be white.

This guy calls the TSA morons yet here he is nervously trying to pass inspection like a French shop-owner who just got a surprise visit from the SS.
 
A wrong and poorly informed opinion.

Ok how about I say it is the only reasonable way to mostly ensure our domestic flights don't suffer from hijacker's or bombings? I don't like our countries method of trying to fight against guerrillas for 10+ years. It is naive to think that will ensure our countries safety.

What would your suggestion be?
 
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