Protest the TSA. Nov 24 is National Opt-Out Day.

[GhostWriter16]

This is the only way we can ensure our country stays safe from terrorism. Domestic security is the answer, not this "War on Terror".

Better to live short and free than long and oppressed.

Yet I liked your other idea, two nonuniformed officers with concealed pistols. That would stop terrorism on planes because you would be dead if you tried.

I am all for this if it means we can stop invading other countries and enforcing democracy since it is pointless to try to change other people's cultures.

Why? So instead of freeing someone else to make them like us, we should become authoritarian so we can become like them? So to beat dictatorship you have to be dictators. Doesn't really make sense.

 

[JollyRoger]

But no illegal searches. Read the Constitution.

If they have a warrant, sure.

But they don't. So they need to leave us alone.

How about any level of screening at the airport? When airport screening was put in as a response to hijackings in the 1960sand 1970s, a lot of 4th Amendment concerns were raised but upheld by the Courts so long as they were only in place so long as needed. Prior to 9/11, we had gone decades witout a U.S. hijacking, yet airport screening had been accepted by the flying public. Same story on courthouse screenings.

You choose whther to fly and so you are consenting to the screening. My proposal would be to allow the screening, but no criminal charges can be filed for anything found if you do not have independent justification for the screen apart from the administrative need to screen airline passengers.

 

[GhostWriter16]

My problem isn't necessarily that they have searches, even though the constitution doesn't even technically allow that. Though I guess it can be done, as long as its not by Federal Officers.

THIS on the other hand, is tyranny, and should not be tolerated. It is anti-freedom, and it is giving government power to terrorize innocents. The US government are the terrorists here, terrorizing and sexually assaulting citizens in the name of stopping terrorism. We DESERVE to be attacked if we cannot do better than this, and I will mourn only those citizens who die, but I will not support our government in stopping it if they cannot learn not to commit terrorism themselves. This is worse than allowing terrorism, we are committing terrorism! And whoever is responsible for this should be hanged for treason.

 

[JollyRoger]

THIS on the other hand, is tyranny, and should not be tolerated. It is anti-freedom, and it is giving government power to terrorize innocents.

Is it government tyranny for an officer to capture your speed via radar when you are driving?

 

[amadeus]

I wonder how long it would take for Obama to fire the Wicked Witch if him and his children were being felt up by a bunch of mall cop rejects.

 

[GhostWriter16]

No because its not intrusive. I may think its a waste of money but it is legal.

If doing so also gave them X-rays of your naked body, that would be tyranny.

 

[shadowplay]

Years ago I was passing through LaGuardia when I kept setting off the metal detector (some metal button on my pants). Anyways, I got put into one of those 'ringed' areas and had the full back-hand pat down. It didn't really bother me at all to tell you the truth. At no point did I feel like I was being groped or otherwise touched inappropriately.

I would never subject myself to one of these x-ray scanners. I would actually prefer the pat-down again.

 

[JollyRoger]

No because its not intrusive. I may think its a waste of money but it is legal.

If doing so also gave them X-rays of your naked body, that would be tyranny.

So you are for a little bit of tryranny, just not tyranny that gives the gals at the TSA a bit of a giggle?

 

[GhostWriter16]

So you are for a little bit of tryranny, just not tyranny that gives the gals at the TSA a bit of a giggle?

Number one, its the same gender IIRC.

Number 2, no I am for a little bit of GOVERNMENT, though this thread is starting to convince me that the ultimate place of government is in heck and that it should ultimately be abolished. I think law's primary purpose is to restrict government.

Radar detecting speed though is NOT INTRUSIVE. Metal detectors aren't either. This is.

 

[JollyRoger]

Radar detecting speed though is NOT INTRUSIVE. Metal detectors aren't either. This is.

How are they not? A metal detector intrudes on my right to carry a concealed handgun.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Well, you don't have a right to carry it onto public property necessarily.

And I don't really need a gun on an airplane either.

But I do have a right to my privacy on a plane, or anywhere else.

 

[JollyRoger]

Well, you don't have a right to carry it onto public property necessarily.

And I don't really need a gun on an airplane either.

But I do have a right to my privacy on a plane, or anywhere else.

The right to bear arms is in the text of the Constitution. The right to privacy is not.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Read the ninth.

And of course there's a right to bear arms.

Privatize the airports, then we won't have this problem. You don't have an irrevocable right to carry a weapon on someone else's property.

 

[JollyRoger]

Read the ninth.

Like a textualist or a pro-abortion Justice?

And of course there's a right to bear arms.

Privatize the airports, then we won't have this problem. You don't have an irrevocable right to carry a weapon on someone else's property.

If you privatize the airports, then you would have no problem with full strip searches in order to fly?

 

[GhostWriter16]

If you privatize the airports, then you would have no problem with full strip searches in order to fly?

That would still be illegal. You aren't allowed to conduct a strip search anywhere without the person's permission, and "Passive consent" is crap.

 

[JollyRoger]

That would still be illegal. You aren't allowed to conduct a strip search anywhere without the person's permission, and "Passive consent" is crap.

They don't have to allow you to fly if you don't consent to pre-boarding safety measures. There are other ways to get from Point A to Point B. Bootstraps come to mind.

 

[Tacitusitis]

I wonder how long it would take for Obama to fire the Wicked Witch if him and his children were being felt up by a bunch of mall cop rejects.

Exactly my thoughts. See? Bipartisanship!

Years ago I was passing through LaGuardia when I kept setting off the metal detector (some metal button on my pants). Anyways, I got put into one of those 'ringed' areas and had the full back-hand pat down. It didn't really bother me at all to tell you the truth. At no point did I feel like I was being groped or otherwise touched inappropriately.

Shadowplay, this is different. They are NOT doing the back-hand pat down (that avoids the head, neck, and private parts). The procedure has been changed to a full-body, front-of-the-hands pat down that even goes inside your waistband.

I unfortunately already booked Christmas tickets before I found out about this crap but you can bet your behind I'm looking into trains from NY to CA for this summer.

 

[GhostWriter16]

True. If its a private company that might work. But not when its the government doing it.

 

[JollyRoger]

True. If its a private company that might work. But not when its the government doing it.

It seems to be working.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Read the ninth amendment and the Fourth Amendment. These people hate the Constitution.