I decided to try Qin, since I am now hooked on the MC slingshot and his traits are perfect for it (vanilla, IND/FIN), but whats going on with his UU? This thing is GODDLY! Monty decided to start a war without even bordering on me (he had to go through Mongolia, heh, nice continent I got eh) and I had my Iron being hooked up just as Machinery was finishing, and WHOA, that was about all she wrote. I whipped out 5 or 6 Chus (already had barracks up, since my plan was to take out KAAAAHHHHNNN!), and they just owned the 3 stacks of Jags Monty sent, and they were in the jungle even! This guy is too strong. I know they changed him quite a bit, but honestly, I think he is totally broken in Vanilla.