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Qin's paranoia

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by magicalsushi, Mar 1, 2007.

  1. magicalsushi

    magicalsushi Chieftain

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    [This post concerns the real leaderhead for Qin Shi Huang, leader of China. Prior to the current Warlords patch, it was swapped with that of Kublai Khan - some vanilla players may unaware of this, so I'm pointing it out to avoid confusion. I'm talking about the scary-looking guy with the pin in his hair, not the rotund smiling guy with the cool hat.]


    When Qin greets you, he jerks his fist back in what looks like some kind of salute, then smiles and beckons you to speak. At any rate, that is how I used to interpret these actions. However, reading Qin's Civilopedia entry (and/or Wikipedia), I'm starting to wonder about the salute.

    The guy was apparantly pretty paranoid towards the end of his life - perhaps the stern expression and the raised fist when he first sees you is because he thinks you're some kind of assassin. Then, when he realises you're just there to conduct diplomacy, he gives an exaggeratedly affable gesture to show that his initial reaction was a misunderstanding.

    Did anyone else think along these lines? Maybe I'm reading too much into his greeting, but it always seemed oddly bipolar to me until I came up with this explanation.
     
  2. Blaarg

    Blaarg Chieftain

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    I also saw it as simply a greeting.
     
  3. Atticus

    Atticus Chieftain Retired Moderator

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    I thought he jokingly raises his fist to hit, and then let's you know "come on, I'm just kidding". That's why Kublai Khan was my favourite leader (I'm not yet used to thinking him as Qin, that gesture suits better Kublai Khan).
     
  4. Holycannoli

    Holycannoli Chieftain

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    I saw on a history channel program that he used to swallow specially-prepared mercury pills and it destroyed his sanity over time.

    I also heard he's supposed buried in a massive tomb that's filled entirely with mercury, although that seems to be more myth than reality.
     
  5. SwordofStriker

    SwordofStriker Chieftain

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    Well honestly, I hadn't paid that much attention to it before. Very astute of you though. It would say a lot for the game designers if they put that feature in based on actual history.
     
  6. Clovis

    Clovis Charlemagne's Grandfather

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    Haven't even play against him yet!
     
  7. Dominico

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    He is definately angry and not saluting. I noticed it too. He looks like he is about to smack you one then changes lol

    Thats interesting you say he was paranoid, and very cool if they have put that in because of that aspect of his life. Interesting!
     
  8. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Challenge accepted

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    yeah he thought that would make him immortal. :p

    Qin was basically a 3th century BC version of Stalin. Interesting that firaxis put the gesture in the game (but they made a mess of it when they swapped it with Kublai's LH! Oh well, no body's perfect...)
     
  9. gettingfat

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    The mercury pills is only a contributing factor. Qin is one of the most complex historical figures probably ever documented. He has knocked out every opponent standing in his path and built up a revolutionary bureacratic system to allow him to exercise absolute power, but by doing so he essentially isolated himself from everybody. And after facing a number of attempts of assassination he has become even more and more guarded, and consequently more and more lonely. Imagine somebody who controls the largest empire on the Earth but feels like he exists alone, I guess everyone will lose his mind sooner or later.
     
  10. magicalsushi

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    Yeah, likewise, I'm hoping it's a deliberate thing based on his real personality, since that'd be quite cool. I'm quite impressed by some of the leaderhead animations; there's a lot of depth to many of them if you look carefully. Some other favourites of mine are the insincere greetings of Stalin and Peter, and that great look of apoplectic scandal that Victoria does if you make her an offer she doesn't like. Then again, there are also some annoying ones, like that lame wave thing Roosevelt does.
     
  11. aronnax

    aronnax Let your spirit be free

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    Its very neat that Sid did his homework and mad each greeting a special unqine trait to its leader. I love to see monte's face when he burns up in furry and go AHHHHHHHH! Or the "you got it finger" you get from Hatty when you agree with her on something. Then there catherine slapping you over and over again
     
  12. Dominico

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    Wait is this leader the guy in that film where they fire a load of arrows at the hero at the end and kill him. The king he goes to assassinate doesnt let anyone near him, and you have to stay 100 paces away or something. Is that the king represented? Damn it i forget the name of the film now... doh!

    Hell just remembered the film is called HERO!!! Rubbish film but is that the legend of this king?
     
  13. Ogedei_the_Mad

    Ogedei_the_Mad Caffeinated Khagan

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    Yep, that's the one. Also thought "Hero" was crud, by the way. ;)

    Interesting observation, magicalsushi. I've only noticed that now. :)
     

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