Québec Provincial Election

Ever lived in Western Canada?

Mandarin is much more useful and critical to success than French in Vancouver.

Ok, But this is a thread about Quebec. Posted in, by mostly Quebecers who have some modicum of understanding of French. If you're talking to mostly mandarin people from Vancouver feel free to post an article in Mandarin.
 
Ok, But this is a thread about Quebec. Posted in, by mostly Quebecers who have some modicum of understanding of French. If you're talking to mostly mandarin people from Vancouver feel free to post an article in Mandarin.

I wouldn't, because this is an English language forum and posting in other languages is against forum rules. It does not matter what the discussion matter is. If you want to post in French, feel free to do so on another site.
 
In the posts proper, sure.

But I'm not going to go through hell and high water or whatever to find an english source for something that's all over the french media. If the Gazette isn't running it, then I'll give you the basics on what the article says, but not a full translation.
 
In the posts proper, sure.

But I'm not going to go through hell and high water or whatever to find an english source for something that's all over the french media. If the Gazette isn't running it, then I'll give you the basics on what the article says, but not a full translation.

That is reasonable. You also get stuff from the CBC as well. I think the principle would hold if we were discussing German or Spanish politics.

Some good things about Dumont: he said he would abolish the conglomeration councils on the Island of Montreal and the South Shore. They got to go; they are undemocratic, with the central cities deciding policy & taxes for the demerged suburbs. It was only set up to disencourage the boroughs from demerging.

Ditto for the school boards. They are dead weight. With only 8% of people voting, and commissioners with the maturity of the children under their care, they become functionally useless. Why should we need another level of government just for education? We should dump them just like we did the medical boards.

In fact, the most important issue to be addressed is municipal governance; it needs a major overhaul. Yet it is ignored by the major parties. It is not just a Quebec problem, or even a Canadian problem; it a problem across the world.
 
That is reasonable. You also get stuff from the CBC as well. I think the principle would hold if we were discussing German or Spanish politics.

Some good things about Dumont: he said he would abolish the conglomeration councils on the Island of Montreal and the South Shore. They got to go; they are undemocratic, with the central cities deciding policy & taxes for the demerged suburbs. It was only set up to disencourage the boroughs from demerging.

Ditto for the school boards. They are dead weight. With only 8% of people voting, and commissioners with the maturity of the children under their care, they become functionally useless. Why should we need another level of government just for education? We should dump them just like we did the medical boards.

In fact, the most important issue to be addressed is municipal governance; it needs a major overhaul. Yet it is ignored by the major parties. It is not just a Quebec problem, or even a Canadian problem; it a problem across the world.

AMEN!

I was shopping on Mont-Royal Street today and met Amir Kadir. Well he actually stopped me and my girlfriend. the street was crowded with Quebec solidaire's people with big signs like on a strike. He asked us if he could count on our votes monday. I said you can count on my gf's not sure about me. so he said "Vous devez faire rentrer au moins un membre de Quebec Solidaire a l'assemblé et je ne crois pas qu'ailleurs au quebec ca soit possible sauf ici dans Mercier et apres il ne pourrons plus nous refuser au debats télévisé" well too bad we dont live in Mercier and neither do I live in Francoise David's county (one street north of Gouin actually!) So now I think he discouraged my gf to vote Parti solidaire. I think that the Parti Quebec solidaire could become very dangerous in a couple of years if they would come to split the french speakers' votes in some PQ forts like Mercier or even Hochelaga. What if Kadir gets 20% of the votes this time ? they will come from voters who used to vote for PQ and certainly not liberals. so the Liberals could win Le Plateau at the next elections i think
 
Disagreed on the conglomeration councils. There is no reason for those borroughs to even exist as separate entities - they should never have been allowed to demerge in the first place, that was just Charest trying to win a few votes.

Frankly, Montreal needs more power, not less. It's the beating heart of Québec. Bad enough that the faraway regions (Gaspesia, etc) get twice the representation they should have, but if on top of it you start taking power away from Montreal to give it to the suburbs at the regional level, it just gets worse.

(And I'm in the far suburbs in Beloeil, not in Montreal proper).
 
yeah that 70 millions of Gaspesia could have make a beautiful tramway on Pie-IX or any project that would have make work more than 300 people in Gaspé...sorry for the people of Gaspé but ...
 
Disagreed on the conglomeration councils. There is no reason for those borroughs to even exist as separate entities - they should never have been allowed to demerge in the first place, that was just Charest trying to win a few votes.

They should never been merged in the first place. It was clear that the majority opposed the mergers, yet they went ahead anyway.

Frankly, Montreal needs more power, not less. It's the beating heart of Québec. Bad enough that the faraway regions (Gaspesia, etc) get twice the representation they should have, but if on top of it you start taking power away from Montreal to give it to the suburbs at the regional level, it just gets worse.

(And I'm in the far suburbs in Beloeil, not in Montreal proper).

I agree, I also would like to a change to a more proportional system. But I have to the new proposed system before I put my seal of approval on it.
 
Democracy isn't always about the majority's wishes. It's about the majority-chosen government doing what needs to be done, even if it's impopular.

If we governed by majoriy's wishes, we'd never even have come close to deficit zero at either Ottawa or Québec. Making the necessary sacrifices will NEVER be popular, but that's the job a government has to do.

Cleaning up the patchwork that was Montreal Island was a necessity. Patchworking it again to get voted in was electoral imbecility.
 
Today is the Big day.

Anyone up for predictions?

Ill go with mine ..... although I suck at predictions.

A minority Liberal win for tonight with the ADQ as official oppisition and the PQ not far behind the ADQ

40% - Liberals
35% - ADQ
25% - PQ
 
That's not what the polls have been showing lately. I lean toward minority PQ due to the region/Montreal imbalance (Libs vote being concentrated in the Montreal area), with the Libs as the opposition and the ADQ holding the balance of power.

But things are so close that it's impossible to make a serious call.
 
A question: Who are the ADQ? I've only heard of them recently. Could someone explain who they are and where on the political spectrum they sit?
 
Right of centre and below average IQ ;)

Seriously, they are the new right in quebec, they advocate cutting red tape and quebec being an 'autonomous region' in canada, instead of outright separation...
 
They're essentialy our version of Harper and his goons.
 
A question: Who are the ADQ? I've only heard of them recently. Could someone explain who they are and where on the political spectrum they sit?

Wherever the winds of popular opinion blow them, so long as they can keep it vague.

So, anybody got wind of any exit polling?
 
It says here that 11% of registered electors voted by anticipation.

Seems like a large percentage to me.
 
Right of centre and below average IQ ;)

Seriously, they are the new right in quebec, they advocate cutting red tape and quebec being an 'autonomous region' in canada, instead of outright separation...
But they better fit the mould of 'Continental conservatives' than anglophone Tories, don't they? They have the whole paranoid tribalism thing going for them, but they also have some 'socialist' elements in their platform-- the stipend for stay-at-home parents springs first to mind. They're certainly not neoconservatives, at any rate, so I'm not sure comparisons to Harper are apt. The ADQ strike me more as the kind of right-wing, populist-socialist party you see in France and Italy, where there's a communitarian impulse on both right and left.
 
No, I think that the most apt comparisan would be the federal NDP: populists who are still too small to worry about having thier cake, and eating it too...
 
No, they're much too far right socially for the NDP.
 
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