Question about Manhattan Project

[wishfulthinking]

The Civilopedia says that The Manhattan Project will allow every civ to build nuclear weapons right?

Well, I tend to spend a lot of my money on research and leave other civs in the dust when it comes to advances.

So if they are still in the dark ages and I build the Manhattan Project will they STILL be able to build nuclear weapons? Or do they have to reach a certain point before they can start building them?

Wishful Thinking...wishing the Civilopedia were more helpful!

 

[Shabbaman]

I believe that there are three prerequesites for building nukes:
1. space flight and fission
2. acces to the required resources
3. the manhattan project

So, if you build the mp, there are still two prerequesites not met and they can't build nukes.

 

[BCLG100]

no you dont need fission it is space flight and the tech after that i forget you need fision to buil the manhatten project space flight gets yo tactical nukes and the next tech gets you ICBM's

 

[Shabbaman]

Yeah, so you do need them, because else you still can't build nukes.

Fission is needed to get uranium.

 

[wishfulthinking]

So if I build the Manhattan Project, the other civ won't suddenly leap into building nukes?

Good to know, thanks!

Wishful Thinking

 

[WillJ]

BTW, I think that the Manhatten Project should be a small wonder, so that each civ needs to build it to be able to build nukes. I don't know if that's historically correct, but I think it makes the most sense in game terms. They made the Apollo Program a small wonder, why not the Manhatten Project?

 

[blueicus]

I agree wholeheartedly. Using real-like analogies is so 'cheap', but when the States finished their Manhattan project the Soviets didn't suddenly wake up one day and go "Eureka! We can make nuclear weapons too!" They had to build their own nuclear research program and eventually they had nuke capacity as well.

 

[stachnie]

Originally posted by blueicus
when the States finished their Manhattan project the Soviets didn't suddenly wake up one day and go "Eureka! We can make nuclear weapons too!" They had to build their own nuclear research program and eventually they had nuke capacity as well.

However, it was much easier for them because they had hmmm... colaborators in the MP team: Klaus Fuchs and Rosenbergs. I think that if we would like it to be historically correct, we would need two separate wonders: Great and Small (perhaps the civ with Great wouldn't need to build the Small).


Best regards,

Slawomir Stachniewicz.

 

[Yzman]

I think its for balancing purposes. One person with the capability of nukes could be very deadly so basically it you want them, your enemy gets a chance at them too.

 

[Republic_Outlaw]

Originally posted by Yzman
I think its for balancing purposes. One person with the capability of nukes could be very deadly so basically it you want them, your enemy gets a chance at them too.

Well im afraid I cant go with that anwser. Nuclear capability was ONLY available to the United States during World War II, and isnt this game suppose to be historically correct? Therfore it should not go to all civs only the person who created it. Later on the other civs could create it themselves to get there capability of nukes. I think there should be a small wonder matched by the civs nationality they way they found out, whether it was bought from somebody or they figured it out themselves, (aka: the nuclear trade agreement).

 

[Zoke0]

Originally posted by willj
BTW, I think that the Manhatten Project should be a small wonder, so that each civ needs to build it to be able to build nukes. I don't know if that's historically correct, but I think it makes the most sense in game terms. They made the Apollo Program a small wonder, why not the Manhatten Project?

I think that the Manhatten Project should stay a Great Wonder. The civlopedia states that Russia eventually found the info of the Manhatten Project through espionage, so I think the non-builders of the wonder should have to get the info through espianoge once they get the Space Flight tech. Of course that's my thoughts.

 

[DaDoo]

One problem about making Manhatten Project a small wonder...

it can be destroyed when the city is taken over.

then what? You can't build nukes anymore while everybody load them up by the hundreds.

 

[Black Waltz]

This game is not supposed to be accurate Historically. After all, since when did you last see England attacking France with Cruise Missiles?

 

[Furry Spatula]

The reason it isn't a small wonder, is simple. Balance. You seem to be missing one simple thing. Once a civ gets a nuke, they find out the city that is building the MP and just nuke it when its almost done. If they keep doing this no other civs can get the Project. I believe that if you nuke a city, all construction shields are lost. But still it would be too imballanced to not have everyone on equal footing with nukes.

 

[pvzh]

Nukes should be on additional dead-end tech (Manhatten Project ). In that case it would be some sort of "indestructable small wonder".

 

[Furry Spatula]

that is actually a realy good idea. Hmmm i may add that to my game. I mean make the manhattan project an extremely expensive tech, and then make it enable the wonder that costs 10 shields. Mind you this may result in the cpu never researching it and only making you stall your research, so i guess never mind. but it would make sense as you could be able gain it from espionage, kinda like the ruskies did. And like what the Chinese did a year or so ago with the US nuclear secrets. But how it is done now is good for game balance.