Question about unit power.

[zsqwgv]

I'm new here, and I have a question. It seems to me that units strength can only go up to 70. Let me give you some background info. So I was playing a game on noble that I won, and I kept going. I had this great general unit, Charles Martel, that was crazy powerful. I hesitantly used him in a few wars against technologically inferior civs and made him awesome. I went to world builder and made a tank with lots of promotions and . . . same result. It maxes out at 70. Is anyone else having this problem?

 

[Manco Capac]

You are new and you got a question about something I have never heard of. So, your question is pertaining to the advanced class of question.

 

[plasmacannon]

I got curious about this and looked up a couple of other threads on this topic.
Apparently, the max can be modified by copying the Global Defines file, then renaming it to keep your original file safe, then changing the max limit in the custom assets folder.

Here are 2 threads where some have modified the max and earned way more xp.
One has 538xp, another has 882xp.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=449821&highlight=highest+experience+unit

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=203539&highlight=highest+experience+unit

 

[God-Emperor]

There is no specific strength limit (except the limit of the data type used to store the value, which is apparently an int and can therefore go up to 2,147,483,647).

There is, however, a finite number of units one of which is the strongest unit and a finite number of promotions which increase the strength. This leads to an effective maximum strength which may very well work out to be 70 when attacking in unmodded BtS. There are mods that add promotions which can allow the strength for a unit to go higher. There are mods that adjust the unit strengths. There are mods that add more powerful units like Next War, which comes with BtS and has the Assault Mech with a base strength of 60 and the Dreadnought which has a base strength of 70. And I can assure you that the promotions still apply the expected adjustments to a unit with a base strength of 70.

You should also note that when attacking only the Combat line of promotions actually increases your unit's strength. The other promotions' percent modifiers are applied as reductions to the target's strength (and/or reductions to its percent bonuses). In your screen shot the +75% from the six Combat promotions is applied to the unit's base strength of 40 for 1.75 * 40 = 70. The "+25% vs Melee Units" and the "+25% for hills (Unit Ability)" lines in the help actually apply to the target, which is why it is showing a strength that is not the unit's base strength of 6 since it gets +25% from being on a hill, that is then reduced -25% for being on a hill (due to the attacker's promotions) and then another -25% for being a melee unit giving it a net penalty of 25% which it applies as 6 / 1.25 = 4.8 since the base strength of a swordsman is 6. That is where the "70 vs. 4.8" line comes from.

 

[Ghpstage]

What God-Emperor said sounds about right. As combat is the only promotion affecting the attacking unit in a fight the attacking strength limit for vanila BTS would seem to be 70 as a modern armours 40 base strength is the games highest highest, and maximum combat bonus would be +75%.

However a defending unit makes use of woodsman, ambush, guerrilla, tile and city defences etc to boost its own strength, so try a worldbuilder game where you throw a combat 1-6 modern armour against a combat 6, geurilla 2, ambush mech inf in a hilltop legendary city and you should see a number even bigger!

 

[Imperator Knoedel]

Wait, so if all bonuses except those from the Combat promotions line apply to the opponent of the unit possessing it, shouldn´t every Melee unit getting attacked by a Dog Soldier have a strength of 0?

 

[God-Emperor]

No. It isn't subtracting 100% it is done as a division, like in the example above. Instead of multiplying the dog soldier's strength by 2, it divides the defenders strength by 2 (if there are no other modifiers).