Quick Questions , Quick Answers

[Somebody613]

Huh, "pressing Alt"? Is that why my viewed predictions sometimes end with my units losing a supposedly 80% battle? Because I merely "right-mouse-over"? Hm...

 

[ranagrande]

I do a different post for a real "quick question" this time:
I got a merchant fleet through an event. It seemed to me I needed to send it to another civ city.
They do can get inside borders, no pb here, but the fleet can't seem to enter the city. So it has atm strictly no use.
Does it have to be the capital? Do I need a specific research? Open borders mb?
I don't have writing yet, beelining it a bit atm.

In my experience, yes it does have to be a capital. Also if you're using the "start as minor civs" option, it won't work until the target is a full civilization.

 

[JL1312]

But err, isnt the option to not look at odds already present? I mean if you don't press alt manually, you just don't see it. Just like if you don't reload, well, you don't
I guess checking a checkbox that disable that behavior would change things *a bit* since you'll have to uncheck it AND then press alt to see them... But I admit I don't really see the difference in the end.
I might be missing something here though.

EDIT 1: ho btw I didnt forget you guys but I do have more work/stuff than expected in this end of week. I'll do my best! Later: I do have a working checkbox now, I'll have to look/ask at how to release it (github?).

EDIT 2: maybe you were talking about a mode where the checkbox is before game creation and then can't switch? I was going for a mode "no rng" that can be switched in-game. Not to encourage "cheating" or anything (I myself don't have a checkbox yet and simply enjoy the expected outcomes, per my tastes), but so pple don't have to start over to try it. Also if you don't like it and realize it after 20+hours into your game, it's kinda cool to not have to start over just to uncheck it.
And anyway, since there is a WB and mostly solo gaming, I don't really see the point in anti-cheat whatsoever; let people play how they want, trying to give them the best experience and that's it, but that is another point.

For regular attacks you have to opt-in to see odds using Alt, so yeah I don’t use it. But for hidden attacks you can’t choose not to see it.

Might be that it always shows for go to as well, don’t really remember.

 

[Leodim]

Huh, "pressing Alt"? Is that why my viewed predictions sometimes end with my units losing a supposedly 80% battle? Because I merely "right-mouse-over"? Hm...

No no, I was answering to someone asking to remove the view odds possibility. We got confused.
Losing a 80% battle happens, even lost a 98.60% just before finally porting my so called "no rng stuff" to C2C.

But for hidden attacks you can’t choose not to see it.

Ha? Didnt notice. I checked with a thief (I'm still in early game), didnt see odds before attacking without pressing alt. But if it is true somewhere (and I believe you ofc!), I get your point.
Might want a separate option for that though, it seems a different topic than inside roll-mechanics to me.

In my experience, yes it does have to be a capital. Also if you're using the "start as minor civs" option, it won't work until the target is a full civilization.

No luck with capital (that was hopefully on the coast too) either so far.
I don't think I used that minor civ option, since I launched the game without customization (and never played C2C before), just chosed difficulty, speed and map.
They seem like a pretty normal civ to me.
I suppose it's a bug or that we need openborders? But then again why am I able to enter their borders with the fleet if I need open border in the end?

 

[Maltazard]

I think you need a certain tech to enable trade missions with ships.

 

[JL1312]

Ha? Didnt notice. I checked with a thief (I'm still in early game), didnt see odds before attacking without pressing alt. But if it is true somewhere (and I believe you ofc!), I get your point.
Might want a separate option for that though, it seems a different topic than inside roll-mechanics to me.

Sorry for being unclear, I meant when you’re assassinating something in the same space as you.

 

[Leodim]

I think you need a certain tech to enable trade missions with ships.

Well I needed open borders.
Researched writing, not enough. Made open borders (same turn), bingo!
Seems like some sort of small bug to me (v43.1): why give the unit the ability to roam inside borders without open borders BUT then need open border to conduct the actual trading mission? Not a big deal (except I didnt want open borders with them ).

Sorry for being unclear, I meant when you’re assassinating something in the same space as you.

Got it!

 

[JL1312]

Well I needed open borders.
Researched writing, not enough. Made open borders (same turn), bingo!
Seems like some sort of small bug to me (v43.1): why give the unit the ability to roam inside borders without open borders BUT then need open border to conduct the actual trading mission? Not a big deal (except I didnt want open borders with them ).

I think there are unflagged units that can do trade missions as well, in that case it’s sort of logical if:
Unflagged trade units can conduct shady trade missions without agreement
Regular trade units can conduct regular trade missions with open borders (I do think right of passage should suffice though)

Don’t know if that’s how its currently implemented though.

 

[Leodim]

Dev question, about releasing the no-rng checkbox:
I looked at this: https://github.com/caveman2cosmos/Caveman2Cosmos/wiki/Developer-Guide
I'm not much used to git yet, worked with svn a lot (I know I'm outdated!).

- Should I really get GitKraken? Seems to me it's 7 days trial then pay now (and I don't plan to). Any advice? Atm I used TortoiseGit, although I kind of never use it anyway.

- I was thinking of a Pull or Pull Request to https://github.com/caveman2cosmos/Caveman2Cosmos/tree/v43.1patch which seems the proper way to go? Create a branch for just this checkbox seems overkill to me but you tell me.
Btw I use the term pull as in the doc mentioned above but in my mind this should be push (ie commit), I guess git terminology is still obscur to me.

Any other direction appreciated

EDIT : here is what I was about to do (screenshot), please let me know: I wait an ok confirmation from devs here before commiting.

 

[Blazenclaw]

Should I really get GitKraken?

Would recommend; it is free, the 7 days trial is for the pro version or something like that, which isn't needed. I've never given them any payment info, at least.

Pull or Pull Request

Pull = copying the files from remote (github.com) to your local machine. Pull Request ("PR") = telling github you have some files you'd like to change, and you/other people will confirm before the changes actually take place (see examples https://github.com/caveman2cosmos/Caveman2Cosmos/pulls ).

I think you should be making the PR to the master branch; v43.1 is what Toffer is maintaining (tho he's also currently the most active dev in general).
Our current configuration is a bit weird. Master is our primary development branch, which we periodically merge into the "release" branch. Every time release updates, there's an autobuild process that creates a new SVN build. v43.1 branch is a 'patch branch' of sorts that can be applied to v43 players, who don't want to use SVN.

 

[Thunderbrd]

I think there are unflagged units that can do trade missions as well, in that case it’s sort of logical if:
Unflagged trade units can conduct shady trade missions without agreement
Regular trade units can conduct regular trade missions with open borders (I do think right of passage should suffice though)

Don’t know if that’s how its currently implemented though.

Criminals can conduct black market trade missions without agreement nor open borders. Regular trade units can conduct trade missions with open borders or rite of passage.

 

[Leodim]

Would recommend; it is free, the 7 days trial is for the pro version or something like that, which isn't needed. I've never given them any payment info, at least.

Pull = copying the files from remote (github.com) to your local machine. Pull Request ("PR") = telling github you have some files you'd like to change, and you/other people will confirm before the changes actually take place (see examples https://github.com/caveman2cosmos/Caveman2Cosmos/pulls ).

I think you should be making the PR to the master branch; v43.1 is what Toffer is maintaining (tho he's also currently the most active dev in general).
Our current configuration is a bit weird. Master is our primary development branch, which we periodically merge into the "release" branch. Every time release updates, there's an autobuild process that creates a new SVN build. v43.1 branch is a 'patch branch' of sorts that can be applied to v43 players, who don't want to use SVN.

Thanks for the infos!!
Will try to do that PR, hope I don't break anything Will do my best. I guess I don't have write access directly anyway.
EDIT : well if I do the PR to the master branch while the files I worked on are from v43.1, isn't that an issue? He (some dev) will manually merge and check those?

Criminals can conduct black market trade missions without agreement nor open borders. Regular trade units can conduct trade missions with open borders or rite of passage.

Yeah I finally noticed it was indeed said in pedia that it needs open border. What confused me is that the unit didnt need open borders to enter the borders though (at peace)...

 

[Thunderbrd]

Water unit travel is a LITTLE different and I've noticed it seems a bit contradictory where it comes to whether it lets units in, through, in cities, etc. Might need some fixing on that but I'm not sure.

 

[Leodim]

I think you should be making the PR to the master branch; v43.1 is what Toffer is maintaining (tho he's also currently the most active dev in general).
Our current configuration is a bit weird. Master is our primary development branch, which we periodically merge into the "release" branch. Every time release updates, there's an autobuild process that creates a new SVN build. v43.1 branch is a 'patch branch' of sorts that can be applied to v43 players, who don't want to use SVN.

Got GitKraken.

Honestly I have no idea how I did it but it seems the PR was created. I tried to PR to master but it just wouldnt because the files I used were unmergeable to master (which is logical, I pulled the v43.1). So I ended up with PR to v43.1.
Please let me know if this is ok. Or at least usable.

Sidenote, my journey with git (gitkraken) :
Seemed I needed to create my own fork. Ok.
The steps afterwards were lots of "errr is this it? err no..." Access denied? Ok... No changes? Ok...
At one point I saw a new PR on github in browser. I thought nothing I did worked, but something obviously did.
I'm clearly not getting the step by step process, sorry.
I feel lost, and old for some reason.