Quran Burning - Chaos Erupts In Afghanistan

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Hate Pastor Terry Jones Quietly Goes Through With Quran Burning Plan — And Chaos Erupts In Afghanistan

Last year, Florida pastor Terry Jones sparked worldwide outrage when he threatened to burn a copy of the Quran outside his church. In the midst of the controversy over the Park 51 Muslim cultural center near Ground Zero in New York City, Jones announced that he would burn the Islamic holy book in order to “stop Islam.” He declared that “what we are also doing by the burning of the Quran, we’re saying stop, stop to Islam, stop to Islamic law, stop to brutality.”

The response from U.S. leaders was swift. Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, said the burning “could endanger troops and it could endanger the overall effort.” President Obama called it a “destructive act.” Defense Secretary Robert Gates personally called Jones and asked him not to go through with his plan.

Jones agreed to postpone the burning, but this week, without much fanfare, he burned it anyway. On Sunday, Jones held a “trial”of the Quran in his church, found it “guilty,” and “executed” it.

Fifteen people were killed this morning in Kabul, including ten United Nations workers, when residents enraged at Jones’ act stormed a U.N. office:

Protesters angered by the burning of a Koran by a fringe American pastor in Florida mobbed offices of the United Nations in northern Afghanistan on Friday, killing ten foreign staff members and beheading two of the victims, according to an Afghan police spokesman. Five Afghans were also killed.

The attack began when hundreds of demonstrators, some of them armed, poured out of mosques after Friday Prayer and headed to the headquarters of the United Nations in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif.

One Afghan official said “several hundred demonstrators were peacefully protesting the purported burning when the gathering suddenly turned violent.” This unfortunate but predictable violence is exactly what Petraeus, Gates, and others warned about.

It’s important to note that several prominent members of the far right — many of them leaders of the anti-Park 51 movement — bashed Petraues for his warnings. Blogger Robert Spencer said he opposed Jones’ plan but called Petraeus’ remarks “a recipe for surrender.” Frank Gaffney criticized Petraues’ “deeply troubling” remarks, and said “[t]he risk is that, were one to take statements like General Petraeus’ to their logical conclusion, any objection to the Quran-derived program of shariah could be deemed an endangerment to our troops overseas. The result of such a practice would inevitably be to put at risk here at home both the American people and their Constitution.” And hate blogger Pamela Gellar wondered “f we stop doing things they dislike, where will we draw the line?”

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/04/01/terry-jones-burning-chaos/#


This is an Aprils Fools joke right ?
The pastor who did the burning was a douchbag for sure. But 15 people dead in Afganistan including UN workers is just plain stupidity.

On reflection this may well be US internal poltics at work. Given that 51% of Republicans believe that Obama is a muslim. This could be aim at him and to whip up the Republican base for the comming election.
Republicans have been especially dirty when it comes to fighting poltics. (fear especially)

I feel bad that all that counter insurrgency work is being undone. But it was a long shot anyway.
 
Attempting to link this individual act to Republicans in such a way is absurd.

It's just a nutjob who did something both misguided and incredibly foolish, resulting in an even more nutty and misguided response.
 
Protestants... :shake:
 
They have full support to burn those qurans from me. Every quran they buy to burn gives more money to the muslim community. Also the quran says that if you must destroy it, burn it, so thanks for doing it the islamic way
 
Spoiler :
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This was kind of a response to the Protestants thing but it is surprisingly relevant.
 
Filthy Protestants! We shall re-Catholicise you all in time!
 
This is becoming a troll fest. Good bye
 
Well it's still April the First for a few hours in the Western Hemisphere.
 
BBC is carrying the story too.
Crap. This makes me really upset. Those UN guys most likely went their to do some good and get slaughtered for something inconceivable stupid as that.
I can only find comfort in assuming that in the deranged world of the murderers it makes sense and that their ignorance is to blame. But on the other hand - how ignorant can someone be?
Well and of course the self-explanatory Boo to the stupid pastor and the irresponsible media for making the stupid pastor news.
 
The pastor who did the burning was a douchbag for sure.
Why?? Arabs and Muslims burn the American Flag all the time. If they have the right to burn our holy symbols, we have the right to burn theirs. It's long past time they learned that.

(go ahead....ask the question that just popped into your mind after reading the underlined part. I've got a counter all planned out)
 
If you take your religion so seriously you'll gladly murder people who disagree with you or strike out at people who aren't involved in any way, it's your religion that's the problem, not the people criticizing it.
 
If you take your religion so seriously you'll gladly murder people who disagree with you or strike out at people who aren't involved in any way, it's your religion that's the problem, not the people criticizing it.
Religion is too abstract to be the prime cause for anything IMO. I rather blame the people who did the murder and/or encouraged others to do so.
But the pastor is still an ignorant douche bag.
 
If you take your religion so seriously you'll gladly murder people who disagree with you or strike out at people who aren't involved in any way, it's your religion that's the problem, not the people criticizing it.

Why assume it's a problem with the religion? Plenty of Muslims don't react that way, so the reality doesn't seem to confirm your assertion.
 
Jones announced that he would burn the Islamic holy book in order to “stop Islam.” He declared that “what we are also doing by the burning of the Quran, we’re saying stop, stop to Islam, stop to Islamic law, stop to brutality.”
Sounds like that's gonna work! :hammer2:

I wouldn't mind getting in the newspaper, maybe I should dress up as Mohammad and then burn a stack of Korans.
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... we have the right to burn theirs ...
You really are a "basketcase" ... I'll get the men in white coats.

There is a big difference ... most of the mob who do the burning (the flag) are largely uneducated and fall under the spell of radicals, who they listen too, as many are so poor and will follow anything, for a bit of ... what ... I don't know ... camaraderie.

We westerners ought to know better, given our long history lessons, of symbol burning. Plus, why should we be so precious about our symbols, and use it's defacement as justification for burning theirs. We should have moved beyond that and become more enlightened.

There seems to be a trend ... especially ... in the US ... back to Christian Fundamentalism/Conservatism ... which is just as stupid. It does not help with some leaders calling attacks on Islam countries a "crusade", which only inflames the radicals.

The trouble with fundamentalism (on both sides) is they can not see the big-picture and realize we are all the same underneath. They accentuate the differences and make matters worse and the innocents in the middle who are genuinely trying to help, receive the worst of it.

TBH: It's the fundamentalists, who have put me against religion, when inside all religions it says "love everyone, regardless" and I don't see any of this from them. Just more "Hate" ... and to hate leads to evil (acts) ... and the way of the Devil.

(go ahead....ask the question that just popped into your mind after reading the underlined part. I've got a counter all planned out)
I'm listening :D
 
Why?? Arabs and Muslims burn the American Flag all the time. If they have the right to burn our holy symbols, we have the right to burn theirs. It's long past time they learned that.

(go ahead....ask the question that just popped into your mind after reading the underlined part. I've got a counter all planned out)

If you're warned, "doing X will cause violence" and you then do X, I think that rather clearly qualifies as inciting violence -- which isn't covered by the First Amendment.

Of course, since the violence happened outside the US, I doubt anyone has jurisdiction in Florida.

And at the end of the day, the real blame lies with the rioters.
 
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