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R:TW Appropriately Sized Selukid Empire Mod?

Discussion in 'Total War' started by RJMooreII, Apr 6, 2011.

  1. RJMooreII

    RJMooreII Chieftain

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    I was wondering if anyone knew of a mod that makes the Selukid Empire properly sized? In Vanilla R:TW it's only like 1/3rd the size of the historical Selukid Empire, which bothers me for historical and aesthetic reasons. I know Europa Barbarorum corrects this, but it's got so much other hankey-panky I'm not ready for yet. I recently reinstalled R:TW but I really want to play as the Selukids without having to worry about an anomalously huge Parthian Empire up my arse.
     
  2. Owen Glyndwr

    Owen Glyndwr La Femme Moderne

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    EB. Seleukids are supposed to be wickedly hard to play as too.
     
  3. Dachs

    Dachs Intelligence Officer

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    He said he wasn't interested in EB in the OP. :p
     
  4. Owen Glyndwr

    Owen Glyndwr La Femme Moderne

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    Well he should fix that, because EB is a great game.
     
  5. CELTICEMPIRE

    CELTICEMPIRE Zulu Conqueror

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    I never play TW mods.
     
  6. Owen Glyndwr

    Owen Glyndwr La Femme Moderne

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    Well you're missing out because...

    Seriously it makes RTW from an alright game that's fun for maybe a month or two into an insanely awesome immersive game that's actually occasionally challenging.
     
  7. Yui108

    Yui108 Chieftain

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    is R:TW worth buying just for EB?
     
  8. Dachs

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    Depends on the price.
     
  9. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    It is worth getting RTW+BI for Fourth Age: Total War.

    All of the Lord of the Rings fun you could want without annoying scripts or endlessly spawned Mordor Stacks.
     
  10. Dachs

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    "None"?
     
  11. Maniacal

    Maniacal the green Napoleon

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  12. Ajidica

    Ajidica High Quality Person

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    Well then you are just strange.
    Who doesn't want to replicate the Battle of the Pellenor Fields where a combined force from Dol Amroth and Rohan relieve Minas Tirith and rout the Orcish and Haradrian forces?
    Nobody, thats who!
     
  13. Dachs

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    Can we recreate stuff from a world in which the creator knew what the hell he was doing? Cause, um, the Battle of Pelennor Fields made zero sense.
     
  14. Ajidica

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    I liked the Battle of the Pellenor Fields. And how did it make no sense? The Massive Mumakil Mayhem (tm) is primarily an invention of the movie.

    Of course, any recreation of the Pellenor Fields in FATW would have to inovolve the Kingdom of Adunabar rather then Mordor as this is the Fourth Age and the line of Elessar Telcontar has shattered.
     
  15. Maniacal

    Maniacal the green Napoleon

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    Because Mass Effect makes so much more sense.
     
  16. Owen Glyndwr

    Owen Glyndwr La Femme Moderne

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    Fact.
     
  17. Dachs

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    Sigh. Right, then.

    My complaints about Tolkien's Arda - which are many, because it's fundamentally an uninteresting setting - have nothing to do with my overall unhappiness about the specific engagement at Pelennor Fields. Pelennor showed a minuscule - sub-10,000-man - army annihilating one that was over fifty times its size. It is a military achievement that is effectively impossible. It has nothing to do with the fact that it's a fantasy world that features orcs, elves, goblins, giant fire-demons, a humongous evil eye, dragons, and so on. It has nothing to do with the existence of magic (since the armies of Man didn't need any magic to annihilate the quarter of a million-strong assorted forces of darkness in a single day). It's just stupid. In Mass Effect, something that isn't even remotely comparable in terms of scope, the closest thing to that kind of slaughter - and it's not even close - is Shepard's ability to massacre her opponents across the galaxy, and, um, it's a friggin' video game.

    I honestly liked the movie version slightly better, because although it employed some of the same tactical nonsense - lol charge at formed pike infantry backed up by archers lol - at least they could fall back on lolmagic and ghost warriors to explain the victory against overwhelming odds. That would have been happily internally consistent. Instead we have what's apparently an Age of Demigods that dwarfs the Iliad.
     
  18. Ajidica

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    I'll agree that LotR is uninteresting if you agree the Avatar universe is uninteresting.:p

    I will agree though that writing the battles in not Tolkiens best spot. I could offer lore reasons for the victory of the Men of the West over Mordor at the Pellenor Fields, but I'm too lazy too right now.
     
  19. Dachs

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    Why would I care what you think? I don't need you to agree with my opinion about something. No skin off my nose if you wallow in ignorance and decay - it's not like you'd be alone on this benighted forum. Plus, you don't come to #nes, ever. I had such high hopes for you.

    Now, we could talk about how Tolkien was a friggin amazing linguist and how the languages he created for Arda were infinitely more interesting than the entire rest of the Norse-mythology-ripped setting combined, but that would make me a multidimensional character.
    Lore reasons like "the numbers seemed impressive and Tolkien had no sense of scale"?
     
  20. Cheezy the Wiz

    Cheezy the Wiz Socialist In A Hurry

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    :lmao:
     

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