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Raliuven SG2 Demi-God Aztecs

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Succession Games' started by Raliuven, Sep 2, 2011.

  1. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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    Do you mean we can foment some wars? :confused:
     
  2. Raliuven

    Raliuven Emperor

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    I don't see why ferment doesn't work? Foment certainly does too, perhaps I should have used that, I guess I'm not an A+ at grammer. :lol:

    I always thought the two were roughly synonymous.
     
  3. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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    Huh, I guess it's time to eat humble pie.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/foment
    1. (verb) to instigate or foster (discord, rebellion, etc.); promote the growth or development of: to foment trouble; to foment discontent.

    This is what I thought of as "normal usage" for a phrase like "[foment/ferment] some wars".

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ferment
    6. to cause to undergo fermentation.
    7. to inflame; foment: to ferment prejudiced crowds to riot.

    Definition 6. is what I always think when I hear "ferment", but now I see that 7. is valid, too.

    Om, nom, nom!
     
  4. Sparthage

    Sparthage Fighting Tyranny

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    lurker's comment: How creepy, ferment happens to be a SAT vocab word that I had to define in the list I did today for English. We used the same definition too...:hide:

    Anyways, good job so far; I will now resume lurking :popcorn:
     
  5. Raliuven

    Raliuven Emperor

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    The odd thing is that I did actually intend to use Foment when I was writing this morning, but I was in a rush to get to a meeting and my fingers were on autopilot - I rely on spellcheck to catch a lot of these things, but as Ferment is also a word, it didn't catch it. Foment was probably the better choice of the two, so I'll have a piece of the pie too. :D
     
  6. creamcheese

    creamcheese Spreading since 1990

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    #7 definition tells you it rarely gets used like that. Everyone says foment, not ferment. :dunno:
     
  7. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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    @creamcheese: The first four definitions were all for the noun form of the word, so it's more like #3 of 4 (and it's worth adding that 5 and 6 are VERY similar definitions ... as are 7 and 8).
     
  8. Raliuven

    Raliuven Emperor

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    Elephantium, I do believe you are up but I have not seen a got it so far. Just want to make sure we are on track.
     
  9. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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    I am? :hide:

    I thought someone else was up! But, looking back at the roster... :scan:

    Got it. I'll play tonight.

    (shoot, I would have played three days ago if I'd realized :cry:)
     
  10. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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    Midset report (again, sorry to delay the game! :blush:):

    Spoiler :


    Pre-turn: Switch a few builds to Settlers - I want to put up a few more science farms.

    IBT:

    Maya lands a Rifle on the island we took from France. How cute!

    Japan warns us that there could be dire consequences for our Infantry being in their territory. Sure there could, tyke!

    Thebes: Worker > arty
    Lyons: Worker > arty
    Giza: Worker > arty
    New Ecatepec: Worker > Settler
    Grenoble: Harbor > arty
    Tlapanaloya: Factory > Uni

    Turn 1 (1305 AD):

    I'm a worker-herder!

    Oh, I should probably deal with that Rifle threatening our workers at Rouen.

    Move 6 (Egyptian) arty to the island and redline the Rifle and the Galleon that brought him.
    eKnight kills redlined Rifle.

    IBT:

    Tzin: Factory > Police
    Malinalco: Factory > Commercial Dock
    Cuello: 'duct > Mkt
    Ecatepec: Settler > arty
    Kahun: Worker > arty
    Iztapam: Settler > arty
    New Tlacopan: Settler > arty

    Turn 2 (1310):

    Ugh, I was 8 beakers short for Medicine last turn :mad:

    Frozenland founded in tundra
    Gem Valley founded near Gempeak
    Plain Science founded on the plains near Ephesus

    Cities MM'd

    IBT:

    Medicine > Scientific Method (due in 8 at 0% science!)

    Tenoch: Coal Plant > Bank
    Abydos: Worker > Bomber
    Tlacopan: Factory > Police Station
    Tulum: Harbor > Bomber
    Tlalmanalco: Tank > Police Station
    New Chiauhtia: Harbor > Transport
    New Teotihuacan: Settler > Bomber

    Turn 3 (1315 AD):

    Slider to 50%, Scientific Method due in 4.

    Fairbanks founded in northern tundra :)

    IBT:

    Spain and Iroquois sign peace.

    Chapultepec: Settler > Court
    New Tamuin: Settler > Bomber
    Tlatelolco: Tank > Stock Exchange
    Xochi: Factory > Police Station
    Tamuin: Factory > Police Station
    Cempoala: Lib > Police Station
    Edfu: Settler > Bomber
    Gewauga: Harbor > Bomber
    Teruel: Lib > Bomber
    Dijon: Settler > Bomber
    Coyotepec: Settler > Bomber
    Tequixquiac: Settler > Bomber
    Jilotzingo: Factory > Police Station
    Itzapalapa: Settler > Bomber
    New Tlaxcala: Settler > Bomber
    Riverbend: Settler > Bomber
    Fishtown: Settler > Bomber
    New Atzcapo: Settler > Bomber
    New Tzin: Settler > Bomber
    New Malinalco: Settler > Bomber
    New Chiconautla: Settler > Bomber

    Turn 4 (1320 AD):

    Settled many new cities to fill in gaps.
    Rush Temple in Avignon to expand borders.

    IBT:

    Avignon: Temple > Bomber
    Ayotzinco: Settlers
    Swampsville: Settlers

    Turn 5 (1325 AD):

    Slider to 30%, Scientific Method still due in 2.
     
  11. creamcheese

    creamcheese Spreading since 1990

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    That's a lot of bombers there. Are we going to whack someone? :D

    Looks good so far.
     
  12. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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    Spoiler :


    Rush transport in Chartres to improve logistics to the big

    island.

    IBT:

    Pollution at Tenoch.

    Tenoch: Bank > SE
    Chartres: Transport > Flak
    Troy: Harbor > Flak
    Iztapam: Granary > Settler
    Rockyville: Settlers
    New Teayo: Settler > Flak
    New Itzapalapa: Harbor > Flak

    Turn 6 (1330 AD):

    Worker brigades and MMing!

    IBT:

    Scientific Method > Atomic Theory
    Chiconautla: Transport > Commercial Dock
    Tlaxcala: Factory > Police Station
    Calixtlahuaca: Factory > Uni
    Atzcapotzalco: Factory > Bank

    Turn 7 (1335 AD):

    I reassign all the citizens in the empire to optimize for

    beakers and join some Workers into cities. Net result:

    Atomic Theory due in 4 at -42gpt, up from 5 turns and a

    deeper deficit (though I didn't write down the exact

    figure!)

    IBT:

    Chapultepec: Court > Police Station
    Malinalco: Commercial Dock > Flak
    Marathon: Settler > Arty
    Tlapanaloya: Uni > Commercial Dock
    Tultitlan: Settler > Bomber
    New Cempoala: Settler > Flak

    Turn 8 (1340 AD):

    Sci slider to 70%, AT still due in 3.
    Join a few more Workers

    IBT:

    Pollution at Tenoch.
    Tenoch: SE > US (prebuild for Hoover)
    Chalchihuites: Court > Police
    Tzin: Police > Bank
    Tula: Factory > Commercial Dock
    Cempoala: Police > Uni
    Tlalmanalco: Police > Bomber

    Turn 9 (1345 AD):

    I notice that Japan picked up Ironclads :lol:

    Cancel the Alliances vs. Maya.

    MM a bit

    IBT:

    Japan cancels our Furs trade. I make a new deal, getting 171 gold, Silks, Spices, Wines, and Furs in exchange for Refining, Ivory, Gems, and Incense.

    Tamuin: Police Station > SE

    Chiauhtia: Settler > arty
    Tepetlaoxtoc: Factory > Mkt
    Ixtapaluca: Lib > Uni
    Tepexpan: Uni > Commercial Dock
    New Tlatelolco: Settler > Bomber
    New Tlalmanalco: Settler > Flak

    Turn 10 (1350 AD):

    MM a bit again



    Things are humming along pretty well. Tenoch is building Universal Suffrage as a prebuild for Hoover's, Teotihuacan is building Palace as a prebuild for the Internet, and the other core cities are mostly building infrastructure. I haven't started ToE yet; I'm hoping we can reserve that for some of the more expensive Modern techs.





     
  13. Raliuven

    Raliuven Emperor

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    Hmm. I'm worried we don't have enough cities. :lol: :crazyeye:

    Very nice!

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    creamcheese
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  14. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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    I really like the lone tile of Mayan culture in the sea near the Iroquois Island.
     
  15. CKS

    CKS Deity

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    I've got the save.
     
  16. creamcheese

    creamcheese Spreading since 1990

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    Looks like the mayans are almost gone leaving us with 3 AIs. At least that city of theirs won't flip again.
     
  17. Raliuven

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    Cuello politics being what they are, the people saw the writing on the wall and decided it was better to be Aztec than Mayan. I think they know that the consequences of one more flip will be a lot of human sacrifices at the top of our non-existent yet very daunting temples. :lol:
     
  18. CKS

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    We want to use ToE on Miniaturization, as it is the most expensive tech we need. Once we have the Internet, we'll get a lot of extra beakers - I think about 200 - 250 beakers per turn. (A town with a library and university gets twice their base beakers; the research lab adds another 50% of the base, or 25% of what it already gets. Scientist beakers don't get magnified, and I don't think we get the research bonus if we don't have the library and university. If we turn science to 100%, we have 1200+ bpt that don't come from scientists.) The difference between Computers and Fission (the most expensive of the first level techs is only 700 beakers. I don't think delaying ToE until after we've learned computers is worth it. I propose instead to swap the US build to ToE, finish it as soon as we go modern, and complete the Internet immediately. Then we can go back and pick up Hoover Dam.

    What do you think?
     
  19. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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    Sounds fine to me. I'd normally like to reserve ToE for the most expensive techs possible, but it would be kind of a long wait to be able to use it for Miniaturization. Besides, our limiting factor is our research, not our production -- getting Hoover isn't that big of a deal.
     
  20. CKS

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    1350 AD
    Turn 0:
    Swap some builds to commercial dock. Get Teotihuacan more shields - palace in 5. Hire more scientists in farms. Drop science rate 10%.

    IBT: Learn AT, start electronics. Pollution in Tenochtitlan.

    Turn 1: Clean up pollution, add a worker to Tenochtitlan so we still finish ToE in 4.
    Rush a university and a commercial dock. Irrigate on island.
    IBT: Nothing.

    Turn 2: Irrigate on island.
    IBT: Nothing

    Turn 3: ZZZ
    IBT:

    Turn 4: ZZZ
    IBT: Learn electronics, build ToE, learn Computers&Miniaturization, build Internet. Non-scientist beakers jump from 1266 to 1569 at 100% science. Start rocketry.

    Turn 5-6: ZZZ
    IBT: Maya destroyed.

    Turn 7-8: ZZZ
    IBT: Learn rocketry, start space flight. Borders pop.
    Turn 9: MM scientists to get space flight in 4. Only one needed tech is more expensive than space flight, and that is robotics. We should be able to maintain 4 turn research to the end.
    IBT: Japan learns espionage. Build Wall Street.
    Turn 10: ZZZ

    Space flight is due in 3. Hoover Dam is due in 3. Once it is built, we should start planning our prebuilds for the spaceship parts. We are at peace with the world.
     

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