Rape Games in Japan?!

[bathsheba666]

Unless it's underreported by an identical amount, your point is irrelevant.

Your point ignores the fact that there is such a large multiple of rapes in the west over rapes in japan that any underreporting in Japan would have to be of heroically cosmic proportions to get the cultures anywhere near equal, let alone have japan come out on top.

 

[RedRalph]

Your point ignores the fact that there is such a large multiple of rapes in the west over rapes in japan that any underreporting in Japan would have to be of heroically cosmic proportions to get the cultures anywhere near equal, let alone have japan come out on top.

Why on Earth would you go by absolute numbers and not percentages?

 

[Mise]

Why on Earth would you go by absolute numbers and not percentages?

Erm, the numbers were per 1,000 inhabitants, not "absolute numbers"... The US has 17 times more rapes per person than Japan.

 

[RedRalph]

Erm, the numbers were per 1,000 inhabitants, not "absolute numbers"... The US has 17 times more rapes per person than Japan.

Ah, I misunderstood what he was saying. But that could easily be to do with underreporting!

 

[holy king]

that would mean that in japan rapes get reported 17 times less of the time.
even lesser for there to be a significant higher number of rapes in japan.

easily?

 

[Mise]

Ah, I misunderstood what he was saying. But that could easily be to do with underreporting!

"Easily"? 17 times as many rapes in the US is "easily" down to underreporting?! That's not "underreporting", that's completely not reporting at all! That means that only 5.9% of the rapes that would be reported in the US are reported in Japan... And that's just to put them at parity! Japanese women would have to report 17 times more rapes than they currently do, just to make them equal!

I mean, I don't doubt that rape is underreported in Japan. It's underreported everywhere. But to say that underreporting is the cause of 94% lower rape rates in Japan than the USA is just completely beyond all reason or rationality. It's stark raving bonkers. 10%, that's probably underreporting - 20%, maybe. But 94%... WTF?!

 

[RedRalph]

that would mean that in japan rapes get reported 17 times less of the time.
even lesser for there to be a significant higher number of rapes in japan.

easily?

Given how women are treated in Japan, yeah, easily. It already varies wildy in different countries depending on the culture, and Japan has a hugely mysoginistic culture.

 

[bathsheba666]

Ah, I misunderstood what he was saying. But that could easily be to do with underreporting!

No, it's quite simple. Japan is a peaceful society. America specifically, and the west (less so) isn't.

Your wish fulfilment does not fit the facts.
Your assumption of underreporting in Japan is not substantiated - although acceptable.
Your assumption that underreporting in Japan exceeds underreporting anywhere else is not substantiated.
Your assumption that underreporting in Japan could exceed underreporting in the west to the extent necessary to equalise the incidence is not substantiated.

 

[Mise]

Given how women are treated in Japan, yeah, easily. It already varies wildy in different countries depending on the culture, and Japan has a hugely mysoginistic culture.

And how would you know how women are treated in Japan Is all of your experience with Japan based on its pornographic output?

 

[bathsheba666]

Given how women are treated in Japan, yeah, easily. It already varies wildy in different countries depending on the culture, and Japan has a hugely mysoginistic culture.

Perhaps we should ask some actual women if they would prefer being raped in the west or misogynised in the east.

 

[mrt144]

Y - E - S.

Far less.

EDIT: For the record, I would support bans on any game that depicts human-like characters being 'murdered'.

But not animals being murdered even if we can statistically show that those that kill animals are more likely to kill other people?

 

[mrt144]

Perhaps we should ask some actual women if they would prefer being raped in the west or misogynised in the east.

Oh cmon really?

 

[bathsheba666]

Oh cmon really?

http://www.sarcasmsociety.com/sarcasm/howtobesarcastic/lessonone

 

[Mad Man]

I like the consept of rape in video games so much that I think it should be a feature in Civ V.

 

[Leonel]

I wouldn't ban a rape game not because I said rape twice and I like rape. It sets a terrible precedent that would allow people to ask "Hey why don't we ban horror movies too?" then they'll start banning action movies because there's too much explosions and gun play. Soon, we're all reduced to watching the bajillionth movie on Lifetime and Oxygen about a girl that comes out to her parents and how she overcomes!

 

[Till]

Hah, there actually is a study on this:

Title: Pornography, Rape and Sex Crimes in Japan
Author: Milton Diamond, Ph.D. and Ayako Uchiyama
Published: International Journal of Law and Psychiatry 22(1): 1-22. 1999

The research examined the incidence of murder and nonsexual violent crimes for comparison and as control measures. Data included official statistics on reported sex crimes and qualitative and quantitative data on the amount of pornographic materials available. The number and availability of sexually explicit materials increased in Japan over the years 1972-95. At the same time, the incidence of rape declined from 4,677 cases with 5,464 offenders in 1972 to 1,500 cases with 1,160 offenders in 1995. The number of rapes committed by juveniles also markedly decreased. The incidence of sexual assault declined from 3,139 cases in 1972 to fewer than 3,000 cases for each year during 1975-90. The incidence of reported public indecencies decreased by about one-third. Marked declines also occurred in the numbers of murders and nonsexual violent physical assaults. Murders dropped by some 40 percent; nonsexual physical assaults decreased by about 60 percent. Findings were similar to those in Denmark, Sweden, and West Germany. Findings were also consistent with what is known about property crime rates in Japan. Nevertheless, the myth persists that an abundance of sexually explicit material invariably leads to an abundance of sexual activity and eventually rape. A variety of societal factors may relate to the decrease in sex offenses. Nevertheless, the data make clear that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan has been correlated with a marked decrease in sex offenses, particularly among juveniles as perpetrators or victims. Tables and 101 references

In sum, the concern that countries allowing pornography would show increased sex crime rates due to modeling or that adolescents in particular would be negatively vulnerable to and receptive to such models or the society would be otherwise adversely effected has not been vindicated. It is certainly clear from our data and analysis that a massive increase in available pornography in Japan has been correlated with a dramatic decrease in sexual crimes and most so among youngsters as perpetrators or victims. We have mentioned some possible influential factors.

(most) content of the paper (the tables appear to be missing)

So, can you back up your theory with any data, RRW?

 

[Erik Mesoy]

Has anyone considered that the American figures for rape may be overreported?

 

[RedRalph]

I criticise others here for ignoring the facts too much for me to do the same, so yeah, I'll hold my hands up and say the stats don't appear to agree with me here. But I still think that the idea that laws can only be made if they are philisophically consistent with other laws is very self-evidently untrue and ridiculous.

Most of my knoelwdge about how women are treated in Japan comes from my sister's year living there, but if you want to show women are generally treated well there Mise, by all means go ahead and show it.

 

[Mise]

But I still think that the idea that laws can only be made if they are philisophically consistent with other laws is very self-evidently untrue and ridiculous.

I don't think you understand what you're actually arguing against here.

 

[RedRalph]

I don't think you understand what you're actually arguing against here.

I do, but the main proponent of it seems confused and inconsistent himself, so I'm not surprised he doesn't quite get it. So wjhere was the threat to your mother in that hypothetical game, Mise?