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Ratification Poll Article E (resubmitted)

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game V: Polls' started by Comnenus, Aug 7, 2004.

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Shall Article E. be added to the Constitution?

Poll closed Aug 11, 2004.
  1. Yes

    87.8%
  2. No

    7.3%
  3. Abstain

    4.9%
  1. Comnenus

    Comnenus AKA Kenshin

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    A proposal to add Article E. to the existing Constitution:
    Code:
    Article E. Legislative Branch
    
    The Legislative Branch will be formed of one House of the People and an Advisory
    Council. 
          
           	1.The House of the People will be formed of the entirety of the
              citizenry and is responsible for the drafting of new Laws and
              Amendments to the Constitution.
    		a.The House will present all proposed Articles, Amendments
                      and Laws to the Judicial Branch for review.
    	2.The Advisory Council will be formed of the Provincial Governors.
                     They will advise the citizens of the state of their individual
                     provinces, any concerns there may be for said provinces,
                     and enumerate any goals they envision for their provinces. 
              	a.Each Governor shall determine any policies and procedures
                     needed to carry out their duties.
    	   	b.Governors are responsible for the care, management,
                     use of the cities, and use of lands of a province through the
                     setting of build queues, allocation of laborers on tiles,
                     population rushes and drafting of citizen soldiers.
    
    Discussion on this Proposed Article is located here.

    The proposed language of Article E. does not replace any other language in the Constitution, as there is no current Article E. of the Constitution.

    There are three (3) options in placing your vote:
    1. Yes (to ratify)
    2. No (to defeat)
    3. Abstain

    This is a public poll and will run for 96 hours, after which time the proposed Article will be considered to be Ratified or Defeated.
     
  2. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Yes, by all means. Let's get this done. Great poll, Comnenus. :thumbsup:
     
  3. KCCrusader

    KCCrusader Defending the Holy Land

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    So, with the new article I in place (it will be in less than 24 hours unless 20 some people go and vote no), 38 people must vote, and the number of yes votes must outnumber the no votes by at least 2 to 1 in order to pass, If i have read it correctly.
     
  4. KCCrusader

    KCCrusader Defending the Holy Land

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    and dont forget to go vote on article O after you vote here.
     
  5. Comnenus

    Comnenus AKA Kenshin

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    If my math is correct, 38 votes with 25 yes votes are needed for passage. Keep in mind that abstains count for the vote total, but not in the yes/no equation.
     
  6. KCCrusader

    KCCrusader Defending the Holy Land

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    so, we dont know how many yes votes are needed yet, because it depends on how many people abstain. From what I read, if 35 people abstain, 2 vote yes and 1 votes no the amendment passes. Am I correct in this interpretation? (I state, 67% of census must vote, and there must be a 67% yes vote when compared onlytothe no's.)
     
  7. Comnenus

    Comnenus AKA Kenshin

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    Theoretically, yes. My numbers were based on all votes being cast yes/no.
     
  8. Black_Hole

    Black_Hole Deity

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    I encourage all citizens to vote yes in this poll.
     
  9. mhcarver

    mhcarver Newspaper Mogul

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    I also encorage everyone to vote and vote yes I'm tired of voting in these polls
     
  10. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    No.

    Poorly written. Verbose.

    Laws should be brief, clear and to the point. This law fails all three.

    -- Ravensfire
     
  11. snipelfritz

    snipelfritz Crazy about the Demogame

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    I like this. I voted yes.

    I was just poking around the constitution and I noticed Article C mentions a legislative branch in our government. However, this legislative brach is not mentioned anywhere else in the constitution. I was going to point this out somewhere, when I noticed this poll. It was exactly what I was looking for.
     
  12. Comnenus

    Comnenus AKA Kenshin

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    8 more votes to go at this point, people. Lets keep this going! Vote YES.
     
  13. Sir Donald III

    Sir Donald III Emperor

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    Let me see if I have this straight:

    So, it is my understanding that, under this proposed ammendment, the Domestic Advisor:

    A: would have actual power to change the Pay Sliders and call Mobilizations ONLY,

    B: can advise on build queues and all items under E:2b, but...

    C: still retains Veto Power over all matters involving a change of funds or funds per turn.

    That is: If a Governor wanted to change a build queue from a Spearman to an Archer, that could be done without any advise/concent from the DA, Under This Ammendment. Likewise, a Governor can swap between a Library and a Marketplace without A&C from the DA UTA. However, if one were to change from a Spearman to a Library, the DA would have Veto Power since would send 1 GPT from Military to Maintnance. To say nothing of Spearman to Collesium.


    I'd like to have my ducks in a row before voting.
     
  14. msz4

    msz4 Peasant

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    Oh God! How many ratificating polls will be??? I don't have enough willpower to even read it (not even saying about translate and understand it) I'm abstain
     
  15. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    Why are we resubmitting these things? Is it because we tried to pass them once and failed? Is our country's motto If at first you don't succeed, poll, poll again?

    Or am I being too hasty? Is there something different between this amendment and the last proposal?
     
  16. Comnenus

    Comnenus AKA Kenshin

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    They were resubmitted with the same wording because they received such overwhelming public support, but failed by one vote to reach quorum under Article I before it was amended.
     
  17. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    If the vote didn't muster a proper quorum then how can it be said it rec'd *overwhelming support*? The quorum is there for a reason, let's live with it and move on. A vote of five to nothing can be considered overwhelming support in one sense but underwhelming in another. Why don't we revamp the wording to make a better proposal before resubmitting amendments?

    I would suggest we put the governors into the executive branch where they belong and dispense of the Advisory Council. Perhaps then the thing would pass quorum.

    EDIT: Is it possible to post the required votes needed to pass an amendment in the opening post of the poll?
     
  18. KCCrusader

    KCCrusader Defending the Holy Land

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    three more votes in either direction and it passes.
     
  19. Sir Donald III

    Sir Donald III Emperor

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    Again, before I vote, I would like to have my questions regarding the Role of the Domestic Minister in Post 13 of this thread answered. This "clearing of the air" could mean the difference between having Governors and not having them!
     
  20. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Excellent! Therefore, if you do not support this Article, DO NOT VOTE. Should it happen to suddenly reach quorum just before time expires, vote No or Abstain. Otherwise, utilize the null vote strategy.

    -- Ravensfire
     

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