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Ratification poll for CoL Section X - Elections

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game IV: Polls' started by ravensfire, Dec 28, 2003.

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Shall we ratify this section?

Poll closed Jan 1, 2004.
  1. Yes

    12 vote(s)
    85.7%
  2. No

    2 vote(s)
    14.3%
  3. Abstain

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Shall we ratify the following as Section X of the Code of Laws?
    Code:
    Elections (CoL section)
    
    I.  Elections shall be supervised by the Election Office under guidance 
        from the Moderators.
      A.  At the conclusion of an election cycle, the Election Office shall:
        1.  Determine and post the results of the election in a thread in the 
            main forum.
        2.  Determine and post the dates of the next election cycle in the  
            first post of the Election Office.
      
    II.  For the purposes of this clause, all times shall be expressed in GMT.
    
    III.  The following offices shall have one calendar month terms, beginning 
          on the first day of that month
      A.  President
      B.  Minister of Internal Affairs
      C.  Minister of Defense
      D.  Minister of Foreign Affairs
      E.  Minister of Trade and Technology
      F.  Chief Justice
      G.  2 Associate Justice
      H.  1 Provincial Governor per Province
      I.  At-Large Govenors, if needed
      
    IV.  Elections shall be conducted according to the following scheduled:
      A.  Nominations shall start 7 days before the end of the month and run 
          until the election polls are posted.
      B.  Debates shall start 7 days before the end of the month and run until 
          the election polls close.
      C.  Election polls shall start 4 days before the end of the month and run 
          for 3 days.
      
    V.  The citizen gathering the most votes in an election is deemed the winner 
        of that election.
      A.  Should more than one citizen tie with the highest totals, a run-off 
          election lasting 2 days shall be immediately posted listing only the tied citizens.
    
    Relevant Discussion
    Election Process

    Please vote as follows:
    Yes
    No
    Abstain

    This poll shall run for 4 days

    Please also vote in the Code of Standards Election section.

    -- Ravensfire

    EDIT: Replaced Judiciary with Moderators in I.
     
  2. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    I'm going to have to declare the posting of this proposal contradictory to existing law. The very first line is contrary to Section F of the CoL, which states ~

    3. Democracy game forum moderators are responsible
    for overseeing the election process and determining the validity of election results.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    We obviously have a conflict of authority here. This needs to be resolved. I believe as Section F is about to pass, we should strike Judiciary from Section X.I and replace it with Civ3 Demogame Moderators.
     
  3. Bootstoots

    Bootstoots Deity Retired Moderator

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    I agree with that, Judiciary should be replaced with Moderators because of already-approved legislation.

    Otherwise, it looks good to me.
     
  4. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Cyc, Boots,

    Bah - can't believe I missed that. In the back of my head I was wanting to have the Judiciary serve as the primary supervision for elections, with mods called in only as needed (suspected fraud). As we have things in the mod. duties section of the CoL, we can't do that.

    Thus, as both of you have commented, that needs to change. I'm going to edit the main post.

    Attention! There has been a slight verbage change in the proposal, replacing Judiciary with Moderators in clause I. Please post here if this would have affected your ratification vote.

    Sorry for any trouble!
    -- Ravensfire
     
  5. Furiey

    Furiey No Longer Just Lurking

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    Changing Judiciary to Moderators solves the conflict, but I don’t think that it keeps the intention of the law. How about:

    Elections shall be supervised by the Election Office under guidance from the Judiciary and oversight by the Moderators.

    This tries to indicate that the Judiciary are there more in an active role, the Moderators acting more as independent overseers. From the discussions this appears to be more what was intended.
     
  6. Karsten Strauss

    Karsten Strauss Chieftain

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    Whatever we decide, I encourage us to clear up the moderators issue quickly since we are in the midst of our first elections. I think we should go with just replacing justices with moderators for the moment, and we can work on a constitutional amendment later if need be. I'd like to get it right now, but I don't want to see first term election controversy.
     
  7. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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  8. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    This section has been ratified.

    -- Ravensfire
     

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