Real Life in Civ terms

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by Iranon, Dec 3, 2008.

  1. Iranon

    Iranon Deity Whipping Boy

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    Does anyone else marvel at how much sense this often makes?

    'After replacing many farms with workshops, Stalin made good use of the Kremlin by whipping his now starving specialists into factories and power plants. With Research Institutes soon available, tech rate remained impressive despite the heavy focus on production.
    Unfortunately, the sound strategy didn't shine as much as it could have thanks to somewhat sloppy micromanagement....'

    Someone should write a history of the world from that angle :)
     
  2. whitelaughter

    whitelaughter Warlord

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    The game is trying to create a playable version of human history, so it'd be bad if you couldn't do this at least occasionally.

    A Civ 'history of the world' would be interesting, but chaotic as real wars are, they aren't the pure chance of Civ battles.

    Rather than writing such an account, perhaps have a multi-player game where the players agree to do what their historical counterparts did, no matter how stupid?
    It'd be interesting to see if it was possible to model human history. (Allowing, of course, sufficient reloads to get the battles right).

    Of course, modern nations would have to 'turtle' for most of the game, and be gifted cities etc by their predecessors when their time to shine begins.
     
  3. micbic

    micbic Optimistic Pessimist

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    Real life history in civ terms... that is actually a nice idea. Let's try...

    " As the Germans had no colonies, they decided that the only way to keep up in the tech race was cottage spamming, and that's how not only Berlin and Monchen, but Hamburg, Stuttgart, Leipzig, Frankfurt as well grew to big towns''

    Nice, eh?
     
  4. Junuxx

    Junuxx Emperor

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    'Dikes are cool because they give us insane production, so let's build them everywhere! Now we should settle every worthless little island in the world and turn them into monster cities!'

    'If I claim a source of Clams from my neighbour, they won't suffer a bit because they have more. But we have such a fantastic corporation that it will cause all our cities to grow faster, hurray!'

    Nah, can't find the sense in that :(
     
  5. micbic

    micbic Optimistic Pessimist

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    Nice ones.

    It was simple. Other nations had colonies, right? So they had more land and more cities, didn't they? So their research rate was higher, wasn't it? Towns in Civ don't get a research bonus? In Civ terms the only German cities are Berlin and Hamburg (since smallpox can't be done). So building more cottages would boom their research rate.

    Other ones (better I hope)

    1) '' Ramesses used his traits very well. Being Industrious, the Egyptians had no problem building a wonder like the Pyramids. With the Pyramids built, he could now switch to Hereditary Rule without having to research Monarchy. His nation would continue being the same productive without a break, as his Spiritual trait ensured no Anarchy would happen"

    2) With Paris having already reached Legendary Culture, the French decided that they should send all their Great Artists in Marseilles and Lyons before Americans win either by time or domination''
     
  6. whitelaughter

    whitelaughter Warlord

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  7. micbic

    micbic Optimistic Pessimist

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    Sorry my mistake. Shall edit it.
     
  8. Munch

    Munch Benevolent Despot

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    Not so realistic example: "The Incan warriors were so adept at nullifying enemy archery emplacements that they went on long-distance settlement busting raids and secured themselves a vast empire by 1000BC"
     
  9. Airefuego

    Airefuego King

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    Everything in life can be explained in Civ terms.

    :D
     
  10. biar

    biar Chieftain

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    Mexico culture bombing US with Mexican food and cheap labor. Now Texans and californians yearn to join their mother land.
     
  11. Manco Capac

    Manco Capac Friday,13 June,I Collapse

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    Although Canada is seen as a country, in fact, it is a bunch of vassal states "under the law" of the prime minister leader. Quebec is one of these vassal states and the culture there is quite different from the other vassal states. For years, Canada attempted to oppress the lower Canada so to uniformize the culture and attempt to reduce motherland unhappiness. It also attempted to bully, but it resisted. Centuries have passed and now american culture based on the same language as most of Canada has spread its cultural ring. There is built the Broadway, the Hollywood and many other wonders. It culturally Louisiana and converted it rapidly to the american nation and killed its inhabitants culturally (more or less in fact I think). It affected Quebec and has suffered the same fate as Louisiana as we see many of its french citizens willingly speak english at the expense of their native french. Canada is PLEASED more now. Although it's current prime minister harbor little good relationship with Quebec given they did not vote him. In fact, a vassal state should always vote for the master.
     
  12. traius

    traius His own worst enemy

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    Speaking of America:
    "America could have, and by all rights should have, won the space race by being, simultaneously, the most technologically advanced nation, the nation with the highest GDP, and, most importantly, the first to finish the Apollo Project; however, because they had built Hollywood, Broadway, Rock & Roll, the statue of Liberty, and the UN, they could either sneak a quick Diplo victory out, or just put merchants in every city and coast out a late culture win. With their Malls fully powered, and their corporations up, they had a nice boost there too, allowing all of their cities to grow to high populations, sooner or later. How could they possibly lose this? :rolleyes: "
     
  13. CocoIsKing28

    CocoIsKing28 Slightly less stupid

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    That would be an interesting for a Stories and Tales thread, with ample use of World Builder to put new civs in, and some modding to put every civ in the game. And of course a whole lot of nice story tellers and players.
     
  14. Choeimok

    Choeimok Spreading the confusion

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    To get out of the economic crisis of the 20s caused by cities having suffered high war-weariness-:mad: in WW1 and, mainly, foreign corporation spread, Hitler started a Golden Age by burning some sitting around GP. Because during GAs, you can switch civics without Anarchy, he used the opportunity to switch civics to PS/Nat/Caste/Merc(?)/?? and, being a warmonger and having these civics and the 50% more :hammers: from GA (the :commerce: went into Rocketry, scientists were ran for the GA :gp: bonus but the generated GS was later.. captured?), , started preparing for war. A few turns later, he corrected the Caste miscklick, switched to Slavery and started whipping. Part of the reason why he lost the following Defensive Pact dogpile war because he only switched to Slavery later on and missed out on whipping opportunities - just drafting AGG Infantry and slow building other units for these turns did't cut it, and there would still have been sufficient population for more whipping.

    Not highly accurate, but in civ terms it kind of makes sense apart from the captured Great Scientist, doesn't it? :p


    Largely lacking infrastructure, Genghis Khan's empire had unpayable city maintenance costs and was sure to go to strike eventually. This had to be avoided at all costs, since he was fighting many wars and needed his army more than anything. Building enough workers would take too long and they would probably strike away anyway, so there was only one solution: Keep building Keshiks and conquer/raze more cities. This plunder gold economy did actually work quite well for a while and he even took a significant bite out of the scoreboard leader who's economy would never quite recover, but in the long term he ran into civs with Feudalism...

    A partial reason for the decline of the Roman Empire was the fact they built aquaducts everywhere. With an empire that big, having enough :health: resources shoudln't be a problem, so why did they waste all these hammers? Not a very good play when you have bad neighbor relations from various DoWs. Hanging Gardens would have been nice for the +1 pop everywhere, but had already already built by Babylon (who had a reason to do so, a capital covered in Floodplains), so why build a single aquaduct before the industrial era? Lazy production automation?
     
  15. strijder20

    strijder20 Wallowing in irony

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    Because they were trying to be pro and went for all victories at once. It didn't work out.

    The Third Reich had a state-run capitalist economy, IIRC.
     

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