Real phenomenon of Islamofascists

[innonimatu]

This makes zero sense because the Malay-Muslim population is indigenous to this country and surrounding areas. If anything, the multiculturalism of the British Empire was what caused Chinese settlers to become dominant, and they pretty much behave like white Americans now - as though they have some kind of divine mandate to rule over 'lesser races'.

It shows that problem is not multiculturalism, as you often go on about, but the failure to pursue genuinely pluralist policies.

What the british were doing inside regions of their empire was the globalization that was later done on a global scale after the 1980s and marketed as "globalization". The problem is this globalization, of which "multiculturalism" is one of the ideological canes it uses to stumble on.

There's an interesting event in Taipei going on where the issues of globalization are (once more) questioned. The "high art" world has distanced itself from globalization, it's not a thing to support any longer. Which is more significant than it may seem - the people who move in this world are still very effective canaries to assess the politico-social climate among the ruling elites.

It's also significant that they can't offer a coherent alternative, only condemnations of those at play now. Globalization is bad, nationalism is bad, transhumanism is bad, and they want... something else. They live from selling stuff to the elites, from their subsidies, so they can't bite the hands.
The answer is obvious, has been obvious all along. But it involves a mix of local and global that these people do not want to go into because they lose privileges and comfort. The reality is that they like globalization even though they can't pretend it isn't failing, and that failure behind the multiple pathologist around the world. Including the rise of political islam as one among many "salvation religious".

Escaping from disorder, seeking safety. It can be into political religion, into political ethnic nationalism, into techno-fantasies like other planers or computer immortality... deep down it's all a reaction to social insecurity.

Damn, at least the old greeks when their world collapsed, when their poleis were subsumed into the hellenic empires, the roman, came up with relatively harmless stoicism and epicurism. Our era came up with self-help, mass consumption, fanatic political islam, tech distopias, and reheated way-past-expiration-date ideologies such as yes nazism in certain countries.

What is really new about these problems is their global scale now. Many territories where people had lost their initiative and felt helpless have suffered these pathologies before. Because it is global is scope now it's hard to get out of it: any countries that try to escape get pulled back in by the other inmates of the hospice!

Edit: to be clear about my own conclusions: the solution to these social malaise, which have assumed specific local conditions, can only be national. And requires disconnection from the globalization that we have today. That is not "nationalism", that is being free to resolve the local problems with local solutions.
The global can only be built successfully by diplomacy on top of that. There are global problems to resolve but they can't be resolved on a supposedly "globalized" system that creates problems everywhere. More of the same failed strategy is stupid.

 

[AdamCrock]

What the british were doing inside regions of their empire was the globalization that was later done on a global scale after the 1980s and marketed as "globalization". The problem is this globalization, of which "multiculturalism" is one of the ideological canes it uses to stumble on.

There's an interesting event in Taipei going on where the issues of globalization are (once more) questioned. The "high art" world has distanced itself from globalization, it's not a thing to support any longer. Which is more significant than it may seem - the people who move in this world are still very effective canaries to assess the politico-social climate among the ruling elites.

It's also significant that they can't offer a coherent alternative, only condemnations of those at play now. Globalization is bad, nationalism is bad, transhumanism is bad, and they want... something else. They live from selling stuff to the elites, from their subsidies, so they can't bite the hands.
The answer is obvious, has been obvious all along. But it involves a mix of local and global that these people do not want to go into because they lose privileges and comfort. The reality is that they like globalization even though they can't pretend it isn't failing, and that failure behind the multiple pathologist around the world. Including the rise of political islam as one among many "salvation religious".

Escaping from disorder, seeking safety. It can be into political religion, into political ethnic nationalism, into techno-fantasies like other planers or computer immortality... deep down it's all a reaction to social insecurity.

Damn, at least the old greeks when their world collapsed, when their poleis were subsumed into the hellenic empires, the roman, came up with relatively harmless stoicism and epicurism. Our era came up with self-help, mass consumption, fanatic political islam, tech distopias, and reheated way-past-expiration-date ideologies such as yes nazism in certain countries.

What is really new about these problems is their global scale now. Many territories where people had lost their initiative and felt helpless have suffered these pathologies before. Because it is global is scope now it's hard to get out of it: any countries that try to escape get pulled back in by the other inmates of the hospice!

Who do we exile first ?




Huddled masses on the left , the wretched poor on the right ! - We exile them, and let's build a wall ....

 

[H4run]

Pact of Umar established them...as second class citizens at best. Qu'ran has a lot to say about them as well, for example 98:7
“Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islam, the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikun will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures. “ (Moshin Khan translation)

The incident in 1465 happened in Fez. A bit away from Inquisition. And it's not medieval Christianity that's point of discussion here. Funny that you've ignored much more recent example I've mentioned.

You've added nothing to the discussion but whattaboutism and insults here. Either discuss here in good faith or not at all.

Lool see! You bring your favorite Quranic verse that you quoted without context (asbab nurut/nuzul) to back-up your claim about pact of Umar, which is two different thing, but alright lets recap.

So we start from a discussion about current phenomenon in Singapore, you regress it to discussion about medieval history then regress again to Quranic exegesis. Exactly as I expected!

This verse is in the context of those who wage and plot or hostile against Muslim, as such distinction also clear in the other verse:

And you will certainly find that the people most hostile against the believers are the Jews and the ones who ascribe partners to Allah. You will certainly find that the closest of them in friendship with the believers are those who say, “We are Christians.”That is because among them there are priests and monks, and because they are not arrogant. (Q 5: 82)

I will not discuss in a good faith with bigot. Nope, you can continue throwing random stuff, but you got exposed already. However feel free to declare yourselves as a Mufti and expert in Islamic jurisprudence, and quote again random solitary reference without context, find a way to validated your fear and hatred, there must be a way!

 

[Sarin]

Lool see! You bring your favorite Quranic verse that you quoted without context (asbab nurut/nuzul) to back-up your claim about pact of Umar, which is two different thing, but alright lets recap.

So we start from a discussion about current phenomenon in Singapore, you regress it to discussion about medieval history then regress again to Quranic exegesis. Exactly as I expected!

This verse is in the context of those who wage and plot or hostile against Muslim, as such distinction also clear in the other verse:

And you will certainly find that the people most hostile against the believers are the Jews and the ones who ascribe partners to Allah. You will certainly find that the closest of them in friendship with the believers are those who say, “We are Christians.”That is because among them there are priests and monks, and because they are not arrogant. (Q 5: 82)

I will not discuss in a good faith with bigot. Nope, you can continue throwing random stuff, but you got exposed already. However free to declare yourselves as a Mufti and expert in Islamic jurisprudence, and quote again random solitary reference without context.

Your dishonesty is revealed by the fact that as a "context", you're pulled a quote from the other end of Qu'ran, written in another time and in different historical context.

Enough said.

 

[H4run]

Someone don't get the idea that the indigenous Singaporean is actually Melayu Muslim, while the Chinese Christian and others are actually "immigrant", to argue that the phenomenon of Muslim and political Islam in Singapore as a result of globalization and multiculturalism is not only highly un-inform opinion but offensively stupid.

 

[Sarin]

Someone don't get the idea that the indigenous Singaporean is actually Melayu Muslim, while the Chinese Christian and others are actually "immigrant", to argue that the phenomenon of Muslim and political Islam in Singapore as a result of globalization and multiculturalism is not only highly un-inform opinion but offensively stupid.

And now you're putting words in my mouth. You haven't made a single honest attempt to refute what I actually wrote.

My points are laid out simply in my first post here. Islam, especially political Islam as practiced, is an ideology with significant anti-semitic content, philosophy and means reminiscent of nazi regime, which is why some muslims might relate to it.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

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[Lemon Merchant]

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