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H4run
Deity
Nope, I found it, but anyway I just realize during the gameplay that if a technology is too advanced for a particular time/era there is a research price penalty, examining the custom game option it seems there is no way for me to toggle it off. I play mostly as a small, advance nation, that is technologically ahead of most of its surrounding nations, this feature pretty much affected my way of playing civilization for almost 30 years, how can I edit that out?
I posted in on the modding questions thread (link) about implementing the option for military production bonuses in traits (it shows up in the XML, but there's been no implementation of it in the DLL). Is this something that could possibly be included in the (theoretical) next update of the mod? I'd do it myself if it was just an XML thing, but full-on code monkeying is beyond me.
JohnCarterOfMars
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Is the farm irrigated or not?
Walter Hawkwood
RI Curator
I am not seeing anything frigate-related in this screenshot. If you're referring to the fact that it can cross ocean tiles, then yes, this is somewhat questionable from a historical perspective, but given the time of this unit's arrival, it would be rather useless gameplay-wise if it were confined to shores.
I will try revisiting this strange bug.Tor the same reason lack of hills in civilopedia bothers me - it doesn't have anything to do with functionality.
It definitely is. I would have no real way of knowing that from my side though, until you produce something that seems to be missing on your side, but is present in the SVN.
Assets/Python/Components/Revolutions.py has some externalised values in the beginning of the file that you can fiddle with.
Thanks, but don't bother with the naming bit - it's very much WIP, and I can also easily hunt down the missed ones in the pedia. Once I declare that finished, OTOH, anything I missed will be welcome.
Replied in the bug thread.
Option 1 would basically make them invulnerable and an unfair advantage to their owner, as it could be used with impunity to attack the enemy territory. Option 2 involves a whole new mechanic of dragging neutral parties into wars, and it's something far beyond me.
RI doesn't change anything in this regard to my knowledge. Diplomacy in general is rather hard to modify.Because if we agree a deal, let's say Open Border and 40 gold per turn, you cannot cancel the Open Borders and keep the money flowing
It happens frequently in my games that powerful civs agree a costly (for me) Open Borders deal and then cancel it after a few turns, but if I forgot to manually cancel the other part they continue to siphon my funds... I think it's the first time I saw this happening in Civ... is it something you implemented on purpose?
Eh, sorta kinda. French knights in the HYW period definitely wore tabards (as otherwise it would be a logistical nightmare to tell friend from foe in battle), but indeed were much less showy than their Burgundian counterparts. That said, properly Burgundian flamboyance would probably crash Civ 4 engine.
Yeah, thanks for pointing out. The new revision will actually have a fix for all the NUs with limited-number upgrades, not just Armenians.
They have much less content and are intended for scenarios and for declaring independence if such an option is enabled.
XML is reloaded every time you launch the game. The only exception to that are the LSystem files that are reloaded real-time.
Not really, no. Why would one need that, though? You can simply launch RI and browse pedia from the start menu.
Still there in that very file.
Hm, as pointed out above, you're likely running Pastoral Nomadism, which reduces farm yields. Otherwise, farms are not supposed to have negative values. Watch your civics closely, their effects can facilitate drastic playstyle changes, and many are quite situational.
You can't in the latest release version; I've already added the custom option for that for the next one. I suggest trying to play with it, though - the penalty doesn't mean you won't be ahead in tech, it just reduces by how much ahead you are. The small, advanced playstyle is definitely still viable (before it was actually too overpowered, more or less the only way to play). If you find that you can't grow to like this change, you can either revert to the previous version for now, or play the SVN version, in which the custom option to turn it off is already implemented.
I did a quick investigation of this, and it turns out this is an artefact from over a decade ago - the schema was brought over when the mod was converted from Warlords to BtS, while the code bits for it weren't. If the relevant bits were annotated in legacy Warlords code, I'd bring it over with no problem - unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be the case, and digging them out would require too much effort now.
Lantarh
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IMHO, option 1 is pretty realistic: if you want to attack them declare war to the "neutral part".
Ships and planes should be safe in a neutral country, and I cannot imagine a situation where a belligerent destroy them without provoking war.
Of course I don't know how hard is it to code, as it would involve also AI understanding the mechanic (both to declare war to neutrals and to avoid being dragged in a war by opening borders to belligerents... maybe Open Borders could be automatically revoked at war start depending on status of diplomatic relations?).
Another question. Yesterday I was trying to create a RI Internet Game, with the Civ4 Steam edition, but when launching I got a bunch of Python's errors and the game freezed.
Do you have any guidance on this?
H4run
Deity
I'm so excited about penalizing technological costs based on the size of a nation because I feel that most players: human or AI, mostly based their strategy on expanding. A combination of that feature with toggling off the unit price inflating per production can really make the two-play-style viable, the quantity vs quality. Perhaps that game is not for everyone, but that is definitely my game, and I feel the ahead-of-time feature is somewhat getting in the way.
I tracked this forum and I think you post a python file for someone who want to disable it, I downloaded it and loaded it for my new hotseat game, if that's working I'll let you know.
Yes, in the 14th - early 15th century, even more impressive capes were worn.Eh, sorta kinda. French knights in the HYW period definitely wore tabards (as otherwise it would be a logistical nightmare to tell friend from foe in battle), but indeed were much less showy than their Burgundian counterparts. That said, properly Burgundian flamboyance would probably crash Civ 4 engine.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Crécy_-_Grandes_Chroniques_de_France.jpg/800px-Crécy_-_Grandes_Chroniques_de_France.jpg .
The nuance is in the helmet. The knight wears a closed helmet, which appeared much later than the Hundred Years' War – the end of the 15th century. At the same time, this particular form is the 1520s.
Close helmet - Wikipedia
The battle of 1471 at the end of the 15th century was depicted something like this.
But the French draw themselves and a cape with lilies in the chronicles of Froissart
Битва при Роозбеке — Википедия
There was a slight revival in demand for tailors after 1485, but it looks radically different.
However, the unit is immemorial antiquity, and no one has found fault with it yet
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AspiringScholar
King
Would you mind clarifying why you find these mechanics to be at odds with each other? It seems to me like unit cost scaling and ahead of time research penalties both enhance the same general effect of slowed research from expansion, rather than detract from or work against it.
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This might be something I or others could help you with Walter if you like the idea, but I just had a thought along the lines of the naming scheme change which is currently underway: perhaps under the "strategy" heading in the pedia for each specific class of unit, after the little text blurb briefly advising how the unit is intended to be used, maybe it could be listed in bold which hard counters this unit has?
As it is, it's a little cumbersome only seeing this from the perspective of the attacking unit, and though at this point I'm pretty familiar with most of these, there are still times where I'll fail to see a counter that the enemy has because I've forgotten the specific relationship between two units, and it was only through looking these up individually that I've mostly memorized these as they are. I'm sure for a new player (perhaps even a strong vanilla player), it would streamline play and make the game more enjoyable to see that when they want to spam swordsmen because they think they can conquer anyone with a 60-40 siege-unit ratio (well, they'll figure out that error pretty quickly, assuming they haven't read the manual
) with these units, to see in bold that even a mere skirmisher is a viable threat. It would help too when simply building one's own army in peacetime, to know generally what kind of weaknesses they may end up having with their unit composition, while this information would come too little too late if they learn about it only after having been invaded with their enemy right next to them.Sathar
Warlord
Minor typo: Separatism loading screen tip notes overview button in upper right, but it is actually upper left.
Also, loving the new main menu music, very.....minimal. At first I thought it was more Adams or even Glass. I'm daresay I'm not familiar with Mr. Engel (and not quite adjusted to a Composer being younger than me rather than 20 to 400 years the other way
), but it is an excellent choice. Even with the jarring immediate transition to the Ancient Era atonal wind chimes and whatnot once the game starts.
Also, with latest SVN I'm getting a lot of repeatable game crashes starting in the early game (Ancient era). Basically an end of turn crash, if I reload the same turn it crashes again but if I go back to an earlier autosave I can usually get past it. Annoying now but rapidly will become unplayable in later eras. Huge World Map, with Revolutions on -- it's been a long time since I had Revolutions active so I'm not sure what state the code is in.
Side note, and I'm pretty sure I asked before (and I realize Separatism development is very low priority), but when conquering a city, instead of having -500 Separatism for 50 turns and then 0 on turn 51, could it perhaps diminish 2% a turn over the 50 turns so that the effect is less overwhelming when it suddenly wears off (I think that you said last time that the math is too resource intensive, but it seems like it would be a fairly minor thing to code (I know nothing about Civ4 coding, but something like (-10 * (turns remaining)) should be simple enough).
Also, loving the new main menu music, very.....minimal. At first I thought it was more Adams or even Glass. I'm daresay I'm not familiar with Mr. Engel (and not quite adjusted to a Composer being younger than me rather than 20 to 400 years the other way
), but it is an excellent choice. Even with the jarring immediate transition to the Ancient Era atonal wind chimes and whatnot once the game starts.Also, with latest SVN I'm getting a lot of repeatable game crashes starting in the early game (Ancient era). Basically an end of turn crash, if I reload the same turn it crashes again but if I go back to an earlier autosave I can usually get past it. Annoying now but rapidly will become unplayable in later eras. Huge World Map, with Revolutions on -- it's been a long time since I had Revolutions active so I'm not sure what state the code is in.
Side note, and I'm pretty sure I asked before (and I realize Separatism development is very low priority), but when conquering a city, instead of having -500 Separatism for 50 turns and then 0 on turn 51, could it perhaps diminish 2% a turn over the 50 turns so that the effect is less overwhelming when it suddenly wears off (I think that you said last time that the math is too resource intensive, but it seems like it would be a fairly minor thing to code (I know nothing about Civ4 coding, but something like (-10 * (turns remaining)) should be simple enough).
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Walter Hawkwood
RI Curator
You've hit the nail on the head with this one - and the answer is "extremely hard", unfortunately.
I and most people I know set up multiplayer as LAN games using a virtual LAN. You'll have to switch to legacy Civ 4 version on Steam (in betas section; this is recommended for anyone playing with mods anyway) for the LAN option to come back, and you'll need to set up a virtual LAN (I use ZeroTier, but I'm sure there are others out there as well).
Well, the default WW1 tank and the default WW2 carrier driving in reverse haven't been reported by anyone for ages eitherHowever, the unit is immemorial antiquity, and no one has found fault with it yet
A bit of a problem here is that I wouldn't be making the replacement from scratch and my options to choose the source are quite limited and not that different. I could use these ones for example, but I think they're basically more of the same: https://forums.civfanatics.com/resources/civ5-ancient-unit-pack-17-france.20127/
Noted, but generally speaking it's unlikely I'll end up doing this. I generally understand that new players might need more guidance in a lot of aspects, but when it comes to choosing between new player UX and actual mod content, it's much more engaging for me to work on the latter.This might be something I or others could help you with Walter if you like the idea, but I just had a thought along the lines of the naming scheme change which is currently underway: perhaps under the "strategy" heading in the pedia for each specific class of unit, after the little text blurb briefly advising how the unit is intended to be used, maybe it could be listed in bold which hard counters this unit has?
As it is, it's a little cumbersome only seeing this from the perspective of the attacking unit, and though at this point I'm pretty familiar with most of these, there are still times where I'll fail to see a counter that the enemy has because I've forgotten the specific relationship between two units, and it was only through looking these up individually that I've mostly memorized these as they are. I'm sure for a new player (perhaps even a strong vanilla player), it would streamline play and make the game more enjoyable to see that when they want to spam swordsmen because they think they can conquer anyone with a 60-40 siege-unit ratio (well, they'll figure out that error pretty quickly, assuming they haven't read the manual
Thanks, fixed.
The main deal with the new main menu music is that it is public domain (as with all his music). My reasoning for choosing it was that with anything copyrighted, streamers might end up having their videos pulled down by Youtube and such.Also, loving the new main menu music, very.....minimal. At first I thought it was more Adams or even Glass. I'm daresay I'm not familiar with Mr. Engel (and not quite adjusted to a Composer being younger than me rather than 20 to 400 years the other way
Thanks for reporting that! I've tracked it down to a bug in the previous revision and pushed out a hotfix. Anyone using the latest revision is very much encouraged to update; it's save game compatible and will fix a very nasty CTD.
That would mean coding a totally new building mechanic behaviour. This is not something I'd be willing to undertake now.
Snowygerry
Deity
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But the French draw themselves and a cape with lilies in the chronicles of Froissart
As standard, a little fabric on top of a cuirass, one striped poncho and a lily–covered outfit - one incredibly cool guy in a gilded helmet. The cape is clearly a privilege. Moreover, a cape with royal lilies is a privilege of.. members of the royal family ?Битва при Роозбеке — Википедия
ru.wikipedia.org
The fellow in the gilded armour is meant to be the future king Charles le Fou (Charles VI) I think - he was 14 at the time of the battle iirc.
Froissarts chronicles were sponsored by these nobles, so they expected to be in the illustrations, preferably well recognisable, the only way to do that really was their battle dress.
The actual battle may well have been less colourful
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TheBirdMan
King
Game ended with a time-victory. Size of the last turn is 6.083Kb - for me, such a file size is completely overwhelming......
I am also - if nothing else, so personal - convinced that a flat map uses fewer resources than a round one. Or if nothing else, the resources are used/allocated much better. Because there have not been any situations - apart from disabling the separatism function when it became "boring" - where I have had to "manually" intervene and make changes to the game. When it crashed - it did, sometimes with only 10 turns between, sometimes with 100 turns or more between - a simple restart of the game was enough - even at the end of the game, when the file size, as written earlier, had become quite large.
But just to confirm myself in my "assumption", I will start a new game. Flat map, same size and same number of possible turns. There should just be time for that before the next version is released.
I am also - if nothing else, so personal - convinced that a flat map uses fewer resources than a round one. Or if nothing else, the resources are used/allocated much better. Because there have not been any situations - apart from disabling the separatism function when it became "boring" - where I have had to "manually" intervene and make changes to the game. When it crashed - it did, sometimes with only 10 turns between, sometimes with 100 turns or more between - a simple restart of the game was enough - even at the end of the game, when the file size, as written earlier, had become quite large.
But just to confirm myself in my "assumption", I will start a new game. Flat map, same size and same number of possible turns. There should just be time for that before the next version is released.
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Sathar
Warlord
Still Crashing
Well, Firaxis initially set unattainable heights. European vanilla knights, for example, are also beautiful because the horse armor of the first suits the second and vice versa, but the main thing is not to accidentally draw a historical unitWell, the default WW1 tank and the default WW2 carrier driving in reverse haven't been reported by anyone for ages either
. Galleon in general could play Frankenstein without makeup, etc. In general, everything is fun.Well, technically speaking, a helmet with a round visor on the first version is a little less unhistorical, but still "not". The combination of surcoats (with a brigandine under it) with plate "legs" and "hands" coexisted 1. with late tophelms 2. with pieces like chapels, 2. bascinets of the most unaesthetic kind (hundskugel is not the worst option).
At a very late stage of the development of the bascinet, the helmets had a round dome and a round visor, but 1. They still did not have a crest 2. By that time, the capes had shrunk.
Technically, by the way, a German knight can be use the head of a Teutonic knight (German crusader). But it will be appreciated by one and a half people.
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With a 99% probability yes. But the king in reality did not participate directly in the battle, and he had enough relatives. That is, he is most likely depicted, but there is 1% doubt.
The actual battle may well have been less colourful
Well, grayness is not equal to realism. Bright colors at that time were banally expensive and it was expensive to draw the French aristocracy. In general, there were clearly bright spots in the real battle, but…
Plus, in fact, the pictures depict two different historical periods, According to my link, theoretically Roozbek, but he was drawn (at least) half a century later. Every first one has armets, for example, and they appeared in the 1420s.
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Walter Hawkwood
RI Curator
That turned out to be an absolutely unrelated issue that has no connection to the recent update. The good thing is, it is now also fixed, and the new update I pushed is also savegame-compatible.
All right, now you've definitely convinced me that I want to redo some of the knights. I think I found some suitable victims.
Walter Hawkwood
RI Curator
Oops. Hotfix out.
