Nukeknockout
Rusty Hinge
if you can't disband the HDO,you can probably declare them outlaws.but what's the point?
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arya126
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There is no point, especially as that would be abusing your power. They have committed no crime, and even have an impressive war record since they managed to salvage the POP of nottingham and direct them to create a new city south of the battle. They have completed several other minor missions as well, such as raids on germany, wartime surveillance in Roman cities, and coming to the rescue of patrols.
If you declare them outlaws, then you are just creating a new source of grief, and eliminating an asset. What reason would you have to outlaw them?
If you declare them outlaws, then you are just creating a new source of grief, and eliminating an asset. What reason would you have to outlaw them?
Cull
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The point is that the HDO is just another name of Arya's supporters. I can not just him, nor his supporters.
Lighthearter: HDO is now a criminal organization. All who are caught in HDO acts, or those who assist are to be executed on the spot. If they interfere with the Copperheads, all known members of the HDO prior to this act will be killed. The government will not work with these vigilantes.
They are just another name of Arya's terrorists. Now, they are either vigilantes who are wanted criminals or terrorists.
Lighthearter: HDO is now a criminal organization. All who are caught in HDO acts, or those who assist are to be executed on the spot. If they interfere with the Copperheads, all known members of the HDO prior to this act will be killed. The government will not work with these vigilantes.
They are just another name of Arya's terrorists. Now, they are either vigilantes who are wanted criminals or terrorists.
arya126
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Cull i havent been remotly terrorist lately. I dont think Ravus could even say ive been one, and he seems to always think i am acting one as of late. Are you trying to alienate me? Cause its working. I can feel writers bloc going away...
Nukeknockout
Rusty Hinge
I meant,what's the point as in you're just going to run with it and make all our lives difficult.the battle of Nottingham only occurred because of you,so you don't get any credit for that in my book.I personally approve of disbanding any in-game player created organization that LH doesn't take under his wing,the main reason I'm not supporting disbanding HDO at this juncture is because I am unsure whether or not he has.and that you are going to run with it and blow stuff up for no particular reason
EDIT:also,no one equals or almost equals the Night Eagles!! except for the opposing super-soldiers
EDIT:also,no one equals or almost equals the Night Eagles!! except for the opposing super-soldiers
Captain Fargle
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Well, having just read this entire thread over the course of a weekend this seems like a really fun time to join in.
I know I don't have many posts here on Civ Fanatics, but I've been lurking for a year or two now. The only reason I have any posts at all is because I made a thread a while back that died almost as soon as it started because I was struggling with depression at the time.
Anyway now that I've introduced myself I'd like to request permission to form a party if I may. The Progressive Pragmatist Party, PPP.
We would stand for, obviously, Progressive Pragmatism. ie: We want England always to be moving forward, to make progress towards achieving a Utopian society. In game terms this would mean a general move towards civics at the bottom of the table - Enviromentalism, Free Religion etc. and the prioritisation in peace time of eliminating unhappiness.
However we are also Pragmatic, meaning that ideology must take a backseat to practicality. The practical minded good of the nation comes before all else.
We are not pacifistic but we generally don't believe in starting wars unless we have a clear advantage and/or it becomes necessary to eliminate a threat to England achieving a victory condition. We have absolutely no problem with ENDING wars though and believe in making sure they end with other side unable to try it again, whether that be through annihilation or capitulation.
Oh, and just for fun, we also believing in making it a National Mission to secure a source of Elephants, because you can't have a Zoo without Elephants right?
I know I don't have many posts here on Civ Fanatics, but I've been lurking for a year or two now. The only reason I have any posts at all is because I made a thread a while back that died almost as soon as it started because I was struggling with depression at the time.
Anyway now that I've introduced myself I'd like to request permission to form a party if I may. The Progressive Pragmatist Party, PPP.
We would stand for, obviously, Progressive Pragmatism. ie: We want England always to be moving forward, to make progress towards achieving a Utopian society. In game terms this would mean a general move towards civics at the bottom of the table - Enviromentalism, Free Religion etc. and the prioritisation in peace time of eliminating unhappiness.
However we are also Pragmatic, meaning that ideology must take a backseat to practicality. The practical minded good of the nation comes before all else.
We are not pacifistic but we generally don't believe in starting wars unless we have a clear advantage and/or it becomes necessary to eliminate a threat to England achieving a victory condition. We have absolutely no problem with ENDING wars though and believe in making sure they end with other side unable to try it again, whether that be through annihilation or capitulation.
Oh, and just for fun, we also believing in making it a National Mission to secure a source of Elephants, because you can't have a Zoo without Elephants right?
Lighthearter
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Cull - It takes two to make a vendetta or a feud or even just a disagreement. You are certainly not helping make arya more inclined to help England and work with you. And as Nuke said, what do you gain by removing the HDO? Just a very, very, VERY pissed arya.
arya - Would it kill you to be a tad less aggressive in your posts? We all want the same things here, in the end. Negotiation always works better then head-on smashing(unless we're talking military stuff - then I'm not sure that's true). What do you gain from all this? Why does it HAVE to be you?
PLEASE keep this civil. If anyone keeps antagonizing anyone like has been happening recently I'll have to penalize people. And I don't want to do that to the long-term players - you know better then to piss me off.
EDIT - Welcome Captain Fargle! I'll work on editing page one now.
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Cull - It takes two to make a vendetta or a feud or even just a disagreement. You are certainly not helping make arya more inclined to help England and work with you. And as Nuke said, what do you gain by removing the HDO? Just a very, very, VERY pissed arya.
arya - Would it kill you to be a tad less aggressive in your posts? We all want the same things here, in the end. Negotiation always works better then head-on smashing(unless we're talking military stuff - then I'm not sure that's true). What do you gain from all this? Why does it HAVE to be you?
PLEASE keep this civil. If anyone keeps antagonizing anyone like has been happening recently I'll have to penalize people. And I don't want to do that to the long-term players - you know better then to piss me off.
EDIT - Welcome Captain Fargle! I'll work on editing page one now.
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sharpeye324
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Cull, I say you are over-reacting, and trying to police based on what you think is going to happen, not what has happened. I say let HDO exist until they commit a crime.
Nukeknockout
Rusty Hinge
welcome to the madhouse,Captain Fargle 
I'm fairly sure the Imperial Party has no problem with Progressive Pragmatism,we all need Elephants,right? the main issue is that we prefer Vassalage/Theocracy/State Property,but there are advantages to the bottom civics 
I'm fairly sure the Imperial Party has no problem with Progressive Pragmatism,we all need Elephants,right? the main issue is that we prefer Vassalage/Theocracy/State Property,but there are advantages to the bottom civics
Cull
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After numerous PMs by certain parties, whos power is far above mine(not LH if you're thinking that), the HBO is now a regonized group. Power goes MIB<HBO<Ninja-Pirates<Night Eagles. And I agree to Arya's rather interseting plan that he sent me.
Captain Fargle
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That's why I have the Pragmatic part. We only support the bottom civics if it's practical to do so. Although I have to say that in my single player games I have a major fondness for rush-buying through Universal Suffrage.
EDIT: Does anyone want me to write up a post introducing myself plotwise or would that be a bad idea?
EDIT: Does anyone want me to write up a post introducing myself plotwise or would that be a bad idea?
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arya126
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Cull now you choose tyo repeal it? You couldnt have waited a day? I had an awesome narrative in progress there. Commandos being chased through London, rampaging as they go, with the ninja pirate stepping in and almost killing them. Darn it.
LH....well cull just tried to destroy my prized commandos. That would be like me as president, and telling the joker to hunt down the night eagles, and enlisting amanara and red feathers help. Plus the romans. Im sorry if i seemed agressive, although i dont think it was that bad this time. In the past maybe, but this time i was just responding. I did try to reason at first, look at the posts at the begining of the last page and the first arya post on this page.
Hello captain. As you can see, things get fairly chaotic around here. Maybe thats undertstating it. Good luck, and beware coalitions. be careful of who you join, whether it be me, or unity, or their future successor. Be careful with your votes in elections as well. I support the elephant quest! We must find these elephants!
Now cull, that 'power' thing you have going on there is not exactly accurate. It depends on the task. If its stealth, then i would say MIB tops the list, followed by a tie of me and the night eagles, and your ninja pirates would be close behind us (doesnt mean you have poor stealth, but you have the pirate part to consider). In combat sort of power, well like i said before night eagles top the list, HDO are second, then the ninja pirates, then the MIB. But on the sea, and in assasanations/spying and such, the ninja pirates would far supass everyone.
Thats how i see it anyway. Also, its HDO, not HBO. We are not a television channel.
EDIT: Captain you can write a post introducing yourslef if you want, although it is not required. Make sure you send it to LH and get his aproval before actually posting it though.
LH....well cull just tried to destroy my prized commandos. That would be like me as president, and telling the joker to hunt down the night eagles, and enlisting amanara and red feathers help. Plus the romans. Im sorry if i seemed agressive, although i dont think it was that bad this time. In the past maybe, but this time i was just responding. I did try to reason at first, look at the posts at the begining of the last page and the first arya post on this page.
Hello captain. As you can see, things get fairly chaotic around here. Maybe thats undertstating it. Good luck, and beware coalitions. be careful of who you join, whether it be me, or unity, or their future successor. Be careful with your votes in elections as well. I support the elephant quest! We must find these elephants!
Now cull, that 'power' thing you have going on there is not exactly accurate. It depends on the task. If its stealth, then i would say MIB tops the list, followed by a tie of me and the night eagles, and your ninja pirates would be close behind us (doesnt mean you have poor stealth, but you have the pirate part to consider). In combat sort of power, well like i said before night eagles top the list, HDO are second, then the ninja pirates, then the MIB. But on the sea, and in assasanations/spying and such, the ninja pirates would far supass everyone.
Thats how i see it anyway. Also, its HDO, not HBO. We are not a television channel.
EDIT: Captain you can write a post introducing yourslef if you want, although it is not required. Make sure you send it to LH and get his aproval before actually posting it though.
arya126
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What do you mean by list of command? As in, ninja pirates can tell me what to do? Not happeneing Cull. And you said power in your post. I would apreciate it if you could explain what you mean by list of command though.
Captain Fargle
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Just to chime in with a suggestion here. I think we should focus all our Espionage on Russia. We're obviously going to run into trouble with them in the future so it makes sense to start focusing our Espionage on them now in order to build up something we can use against them later. Even if it is just getting visibility on their cities. Plus if we build a few Jails/Courthouses maybe we can get enough to steal some tech.
arya126
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We dont have jails yet, although i think courthouses are possible, once peace is secured of course.
Cull, the HDO is not part of the government, nor can it be commanded/ordered by government controlled groups. If you mean that would be the order of command in the copperhead operation, i would still have to disagree. I think the heads of the groups would have ultimate control over there individual groups, and we (as in me, cull, LH, and ravus) would ahve to agree completely in order for a combined plan to happen.
So, in summary, we would all be on an equal level on an operational level in the field. If 2 people of equal rank wish to coordinate with each otehr (2 squads for exaple) they would either contact suporiers to negotiate a plan, or compromise with each otehr in the field. Any strategic decisions would be decided bewteen us in PMs.
If you insist on HDO becoming a junior member in the chain of command, then i will have to order the HDO to continue against the copeprheads without government assistance, or their permision, although since the copperheads are a common enemy, i will trust cull not to order any hostiolities against the HDO as long as they refrain from commiting purposeful damage on property and on the civilians.
Cull, the HDO is not part of the government, nor can it be commanded/ordered by government controlled groups. If you mean that would be the order of command in the copperhead operation, i would still have to disagree. I think the heads of the groups would have ultimate control over there individual groups, and we (as in me, cull, LH, and ravus) would ahve to agree completely in order for a combined plan to happen.
So, in summary, we would all be on an equal level on an operational level in the field. If 2 people of equal rank wish to coordinate with each otehr (2 squads for exaple) they would either contact suporiers to negotiate a plan, or compromise with each otehr in the field. Any strategic decisions would be decided bewteen us in PMs.
If you insist on HDO becoming a junior member in the chain of command, then i will have to order the HDO to continue against the copeprheads without government assistance, or their permision, although since the copperheads are a common enemy, i will trust cull not to order any hostiolities against the HDO as long as they refrain from commiting purposeful damage on property and on the civilians.
Nukeknockout
Rusty Hinge
I'm not sure about that.I can suddenly see the reason to see the HDO as vigilantes if they refuse to cooperate with the government.please,swallow your pride,and work with us.I have no doubt that your group will be deferred to in their area of expertise,but as the Night Eagles are England's super-soldiers(and that they represent LH!),it is only right that they have ultimate authority
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