Hi everyone, Aside from Civ IV, what other new 4X games do you feel are excellent and worthy of play? I've recently been craving a good 4X game again, and am looking for suggestions. A few possibilities that I have identified: Age of Wonders 3 Warlock 2 Endless Space Pandora: First Contact Anything else I am missing? (I got Fallen Enchantress and it was okay. GalCiv 2 was pretty good. Havent played any other recent games). I am posting this on the Civ IV board, because if you, the reader, is someone who is still playing Civ IV after all these years, and not someone who has fallen for the dreck that was Civ V, then you are someone whose opinion I value! My favorite 4X games from the past: Civ IV MOO 2 Master of Magic SM:Alpha Centauri Age of Wonders 2/Shadow Magic My priorities: #1 Priority for me is interesting and strategically deep empire management. Civ4 was amazing at this, of course! (And I prefer if the amount of micromanagement that is needed doesn't just scale exponentially as the game progresses, with a dominant strategy of 'build as many cities as possible'). RPG/exploration/questing elements such as in games like Master of Magic and Age of Wonders are cool features, but not essential. I tend to like well designed games that include these, but also well designed games that dont. Combat is a lower priority for me. Its nice if the combat is tactically interesting, but I don't want to just be bogged down in long battles when what I really care about is empire management. I give absolutely zero f*cks about graphics! It would be nice if the game ended in a reasonable time frame. Many of these 4X games seem to have no idea that they need to actually end, and I just quit the game after I get way ahead, but its clear that it would take hours more grindy gameplay in order to exterminate every last f'ing enemy unit for the world. I'd rather not have to do that. So, fellow Civ 4 lovers, what are your recommendations? Have you played any of the recent games I mentioned, or do you know of any others? Which one should I get? Thanks for reading, and thanks for your feedback! I am hoping this forum is an appropriate place for this thread. If it isnt, I apologize.