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Region/civ specific music

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall: Europe' started by AbsintheRed, Jul 5, 2020.

  1. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Deity

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    I'm adding region/civ specific soundtracks to the mod.
    Probably I don't have to talk about the benefits of this to anyone here :)

    There are a couple ways to do this, I think I would prefer to have it based on primarily the civ itself (as against of it being map/position/province or religion based for example).
    So we would have groups of civs with the same track, or even a single civ can have a separate list in justified cases.

    I'm keeping this era-based too:
    So all civs in a given group share 4 separate soundtracks, 1 for each of the eras in the mod.

    A song can be added for as many different groups as we would like (the sound file itself is only added to the mod once).
    Actually I would like to have quite a few songs that are added for almost all civs. Probably a couple from the current soundtrack, many songs there kinda grew on me over the past few years :)
    (With a potential middle-eastern group being an exception, they will most likely have entirely separate music.)

    First of all, I think we should get the groups together:
    - I do not want to have too many of these, so keep the groups as large as possible.
    - The 6 civs coming to the mod (Serbia, Sicily, Rum, Crimea, Egypt, Tunisia) should already be included.
    - A civ can have any existing soundtrack for a given era (so theoretically they can be moved around between groups within eras), but we should try to have constant groups for the sake of convenience.
     
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  2. AbsintheRed

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    About the music itself:

    As in with diplomusic, info about the used soundtrack will be added to the mod's files.
    We already have lots of info in this thread:
    https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/soundtrack.567943/

    There will be a lot of additional music added to the mod, but we shouldn't go overboard with it, so I will only include the best possible songs.
    10-15 songs/era/group should be enough, with as much overlap between groups (and eras) as possible.
    Still, I'm thinking somewhere around 50-100 new music files altogether.

    EDIT:
    Note that the suggestions should be made with the extended timeline in mind, so the first 2 eras will be extended (in number of turns), while the last one shortened.
     
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  3. Baron03

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    Sounds very interesting!

    For groupings, here is my best guess: but they can go several different way because of regional influence...

    A. Morocco, Cordoba, Egypt, Tunisia, Arabia, Ottomans, Rum, and Crimea [Islamic group]
    B. Castile, Portugal, Aragon, France, and Burgundy [Iberian]
    C. Genoa, Venice, Sicily, (Papal States), Austria, and Germany [because HRE influence]
    D. England, Scotland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, and Netherlands? [North Sea group]
    E. Moscow, Novgorod, Kiev, Poland, Lithuania, and Prussia [Eastern Europe group]
    F. Byzantines, Bulgaria, Serbia, and Hungary [SE Europe group]

    I think that is everyone. That would six groups, so 24 soundtracks.

    Notes: France and Burgundy could go with Italy's group too? Netherlands can go with any neighboring group, and a similar situation with Germany and England...
     
  4. oioi23

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    Sorry if this is a silly question, but does all music chosen have to be royalty free/no copyright?
    DoC and SoI have some really nice Middle Eastern music if so.
     
  5. AbsintheRed

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    I'm not really sure about the exact rules what music can be used in mods, when can it be used and under what circumstances, but do not intend to give it too much thought.
    Was planning to include music of similar type/form/whatever to the ones we already have.
    There might already be some minor offenders among the current soundtrack, but if it was good enough for more than 10 years, I think similar stuff can be included safely.

    So do not want/plan to be very thorough, would only like to avoid the most obvious offenders in this regard.
     
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  6. Baron03

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    I had some time to look at music for the mod. I dislike vocals, so I prefer instrumental. Also, I haven't listened to the mod's current music in several months, so some of these might be too similar. Not sure if any are good enough for the mod either. And I have no idea how copyright works...

    All of the ones below are from YouTube, titled and linked. I have. Feeling some civs can switch groups throughout the eras. For instance, France, England, and Germany can jump around because they influenced many different areas.

    Western Europe (France, Italy, Germany)?
    Spoiler :

    Medieval:
    Trotto - Instrumental Italian medieval music, by The Soundalive Consort


    Saltarello - Medieval Dance


    Ductia (Anonymous, 13th century)


    Ungarischer Tantz - 13th c (traditional Hungarian dance)


    Le Roi Louis - French Crusader Song


    Old Music 3- Michael Praetorius
    https://youtu.be/V2zc1TLML1k

    Baroque:
    J.-B. Lully: Ouverture and Dances from «Le Bourgeois Gentilhomme» LWV 43
    https://youtu.be/BkoHju7Ai58


    Northern Europe (Scandinavia)
    Spoiler :

    Bukkene Bruse - Folketone fra sunnmøre (live version)
    https://youtu.be/7qpcdiHCO4A

    Bukkene Bruse - Numedalshalling
    https://youtu.be/5N8yqx0W2w8

    Bukkene Bruse - Fanitullen
    https://youtu.be/sHsledb9tXU

    Dråm - Kringellek (nordic bagpipe + harp)
    https://youtu.be/5VLQRfxlEcs

    Valgaldr - Draupnir (Lyre)
    https://youtu.be/FeUgXDTkXNQ


    Iberian Group (Spain)
    Spoiler :

    Composed by Alfonso el Sabio (1230 - 1284) --- Cantiga de Santa María ---
    https://youtu.be/5l_f_n9X_b0

    Spanish Renaissance music (Cancionero de Palacio s.XV-XVI)
    https://youtu.be/uYjPSUoJ2ws

    LA SPAGNA (Danza Alta) - Francisco de la Torre (c.1460 - c.1504)
    https://youtu.be/Nk8qJuba1y4

    La Folia 1490-1701: Folia: Rodrigo Martínez (Anonyme, 1490)
    https://youtu.be/SW4Eq-tbgao

    L'Arpeggiata - Athanasius Kircher (1602-1680) - Tarantella Napoletana, Tono Hypodorico
    https://youtu.be/RD6khYNpnS4


    East Europe/Orthodox Group
    Spoiler :

    Medieval Byzantine Chant dedicated to Virgin Mary.
    Title: "Δεύτε λαοί" (Come ye peoples)
    Performers: Greek Byzantine Choir
    Album: "Hymns to the Most Holy Theotokos"
    https://youtu.be/4Q8i0CYs-CM

    Medieval Chant Of The Russin North - Chant Vlll
    https://youtu.be/oLr3u4eo7Eg

    Ancient Byzantine Music - Byzantium
    https://youtu.be/4zPc47GOH8s

    Sons of Constantinople (Byzantine Empire Battle Music)
    https://youtu.be/VGMX8JFdXVE

    Gaude Mater Polonia
    https://youtu.be/Wv8LriCtwxE

    Haussmann Renaissance music in Poland Polish dance
    https://youtu.be/0m2WuCSR-oM

    Mikołaj Gomółka Nieście chwałę mocarze Polska muzyka renesansowa Renaissance polish music
    https://youtu.be/UAPXSc5UN6Y

    Mikołaj Gomółka - Kleszczmy rękoma (O clap your hands)
    https://youtu.be/0-05ofXn_Os
     
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    Some Middle Eastern Music, I tried to find ones that fit with the essence of the already existing ones, and as such are quite vocal.
    Spoiler :


    Nice authentic ambient track picks up a few minutes in

    Most music I could find seems to be Andalusian


    I doubt this ones very authentic but I love it

    really nice ambient track
     
  8. AbsintheRed

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    Thanks, these are great! :)
     
  9. Baron03

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    Here are more music suggestions for region specific soundtracks. The first group is for early ga,e civs in general, who are likely pagan. The second is a mixture of medieval European music, one specifically to Venice. The third is more Byzantine music...

    Early Pagan Music (Early Middle Ages music for Scandinavia, or any early/Pagan civ)
    Spoiler :

    Slavic Pagan War Drums | Svetovid


    Drums of Drakkar vikings and medieval music


    pagan drumming (it is an actual "live" video, so it would have to be cut and possibly adjusted some)


    Epic Spiritual Slavic Pagan Music | Land Of The Gods


    Slavic Spiritual Folk Music | KÓROTAN



    Venice and generic Catholic Europe
    Spoiler :

    Juditha Triumphans (composed by Vivaldi?)
    https://youtu.be/_iBPt1aoA7E

    Requiem: Lux aeterna (Lyric Video)
    https://youtu.be/yorPBRb15tY

    Salve Regina: Gregorian chant (Latin/English Text) Lyric Video
    https://youtu.be/SmqLKr6gF-Q

    Virga iesse floruit, medieval chant of the Gradual of Eleanor of Brittany (Lyric Video)
    https://youtu.be/xsapS7Qu2Ik


    Early Byzantine Music
    Spoiler :

    Byzantine 9th c.: Stavrotheotokia
    https://youtu.be/d3WtmLUKoiE

    Lament for Constantinople: Γιατί πουλί μ’ δεν κελαηδείς - Nektaria Karantzi (Lyric Video)
    https://youtu.be/2PbicjwUdX0

    Byzantine Secular Music-The Nightingale Kratima
    https://youtu.be/9_8aSrsTlCE
     
  10. AbsintheRed

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    Great, I really like some of these!
    Thanks!
     
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    Ever since I looked for music the first time, YouTube's algorithm keeps giving me more renaissance and medieval music...

    Russian/Slavic music
    Spoiler :

    Russian Folk Music - The Bogatyr


    Russian Folk Music - Russian Winter


    Russian Folk Music - Night in Russia


    This is the entire album on YouTube: seven are Russian, fourteen are Slavic. It contains the links to most of them.
    Russian Folk Music & Slavic Music


    Venetian/Italian
    Spoiler :

    Andrea Gabrieli - Ricercari [this was four songs]


    Andrea GABRIELI= Battaglia a 8.
    https://youtu.be/Zr6LjzBtyi4

    Symphoniae sacrae II (1615) : In ecclesiis a 14
    https://youtu.be/1kZ_Ld9-wH4

    Imperial Brass [i think this is several songs...]
    https://youtu.be/kD_JU5cpm6g

    Gabrieli: Suscipe - Choir of King's College Cambridge [actual video]
    https://youtu.be/DP8zh3-4qrU

    Giovanni Gabrieli - Canzon à 12 in echo (3 choirs) Venice 1608
    https://youtu.be/0dihteuej6Q

    “Canzon septimi toni", Giovanni Gabrieli | The Green Mountain Project 2012
    https://youtu.be/yB96NymHfLQ

    One of the issues I've had looking at renaissance music in particular is that the videos tend to be several songs or even albums, which means they will have to be long soundtracks or spliced into separate songs if desired.

    Civ 4 colonization's soundtracks also utilize this kind of music if that's easier for you to add Absinthe.
     
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    I can't really decide if that's a good thing or a bad. Probably both. :shifty:
    Sure, we can grab some of the music from Colonization or from other mods as well.
     
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    Pretty good. Uhh does this count? Since it sounds like a Western European Medieval Music?
     
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    The YouTube algorithm has been... different. Here are the titles of the Colonization soundtracks that could be added to this mod. I’m assuming you have that installed, so it would be an easy transfer.

    I think many of them would work for most European players as late soundtracks, or possibly renaissance Soundtracks for Historical colonial powers (Portugal to Sweden)
    Some might be duplicates with different names.

    Listed Names
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    YorkFusiliers (better as a war sound in late game?)

    The Ground For A Second Player Bull

    The girl left behind me

    Summer is coming

    Stat Ein Meskin Obrecht

    So Stehlch Hie Auf Dieser Erd

    Sonata in E minor Trombones Speer

    Sonata in A minor Trombones Speer

    Sonata in E minor Trombones Speer

    Sonata Detta La Vitoria Uccellini

    SeLa Face Ay Pale Dufay

    “Recorder Concertos” by Sammartini [there are 3 of these files]

    Phrygian Music Bull

    Paduane In C Minor

    Out at Sea-002

    Out at Sea-000

    NovaVobisGaudia Grenon

    MissaJeNeFay [there are 2]

    Mein Herz In Hohen Freuden

    Mattie Grove

    Marche Triomphale

    Lord Thomas and Fair Ellinor

    La Mi Lasol Isaac

    Ground In F Major Tolett

    Fanfare Werlch Eyn Falk Gilbert

    EgmontOverture Beethoven

    Dance King Ferdinand

    Courantel-II-III Foucart

    BarbaraAllen
     
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    Here's a few more songs to potentially add. Only found things for Poland and Medieval France. For late France (Renaissance to 1800) anything by Lully should do.

    All of Medieval France
    Spoiler :

    Guillaume de Machaut: J'aim sans penser


    This should be the link to a "Medieval French Playlist". It contains about 170 songs.
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnOSH5j1sQh_9zEXXXLlIcGOPm93qIvKu&feature=share

    Late Medieval/Renaissance Poland
    Spoiler :

    Wacław z Szamotuł: In te Domine speravi


    Muzyka renesansowa w Polsce Taniec polski Haussmann Renaissance music in Poland Polish dance


    Polska muzyka barokowa Mielczewski Canzona prima a due Polish baroque music dawna Warszawa Canaletto


    Piotr z Grudziądza (Petrus Wilhelmi de Grudencz (1392 - ok.1480). Predulcis eurus turbinis


    G.G.Gorczycki, Missa Paschalis. Resonans con tutti & Szymon Czechowicz -- painter (1689-1775) POLAND
    https://youtu.be/VkWBWoavm8A

    Renaissance Lute Music in Poland Diomedes Cato Favorito Muzyka renesansowa w polsce
    https://youtu.be/1qYaPzDaylY
     

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