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Religion and Hell

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by dwaxe, Jul 8, 2009.

  1. candle

    candle Prince

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    for god hates sin, and sinner. He destroyed the sinner actully more times than once. He allowed sin to enter because he wanted people to choose to worship him, though the crime for not is eternal pain and torment
     
  2. cardgame

    cardgame Obsessively Opposed to the Typical

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    So he knew he would make imperfect humans and still kicked them out?
    I have a quote that fits this perfectly:
    Some choice. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Loki130

    Loki130 I remember when...

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    so you agree with me? god wanted to throw adam and eve out the garden and wants to send all (according to you) none-penta-whatever you are to hell for eternal suffering?
    edit-crosspost, but with hell added
     
  4. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus Retired Moderator

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    I thought the whole thing was to love the sinner? Remember that woman in the NT called Mary Magdelene?

    Anyway, I was once told that God allows sin for this reason:

    We define justice as the fair dealing of good people with evil. Now, without evil there could therefore be no justice, and it is better to have a world with some evil than it is to have a world with no justice
     
  5. Erik Mesoy

    Erik Mesoy Core Tester / Intern

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    I finally got around to leafing through Mark on this.

    Chapter 2:
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    There are some more minor references, mostly to "the Son of Man" in various forms. (8:38 and 14:62 above if you want to argue that this is a common epithet.)
     
  6. classical_hero

    classical_hero In whom I trust

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    Actually it shows that it is quite genuine since it is so different from the other four Gospels, since each are witness accounts and the fact that we have one account that is so different, showing that they did not collude to tell lies. Also John is the witness account that gives more detail on time and places than all the other Gospels combined, so he went into the detail to show that he knew what he was talking about.
     
  7. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus Retired Moderator

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    Err... From my time in the police force, I can reliably tell you that when there are four witnesses, three of which agree and one of which is spouting an incredibly complex web of randomness, you generally go with the three ;)
     
  8. MagisterCultuum

    MagisterCultuum Great Sage

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    Three of them are researched accounts, probably relying on the same sources. The fourth is a memoir written by an elderly man describing events that happened when he was a teenager. It isn't so much like having 3 out of 4 witnesses agree and the fourth differ, but it is having 3 police reports written by different officers after interrogating the same witnesses disagree with testimony of another witness who came forth with his account many rears later. The memory of the last witness may not be perfect, but it can still shed some important light on things the initial reports left out.
     
  9. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus Retired Moderator

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    Matthew, Mark and Luke were all apostles, so they are writing from their own experience too
     
  10. Fr8monkey

    Fr8monkey Deity

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    That is the problem with multiple witmesses. Lets assume you come across an empty tomb and there are 4 witnesses. You interview them and get the following:

    1. A young man (Mark 16:5)
    2. It was no man, it was an angel (Matthew 28:2-5)
    3. It was two men (Luke 24:4)
    4. There was nobody there (John 20:1-2)

    Who is right? Acording to the Bible... they all are.
     
  11. Flying Pig

    Flying Pig Utrinque Paratus Retired Moderator

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    Short-sighted doctrine strikes again!
     

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