Religious Humour. Are you laughing?

Religious Humour. Is it acceptable.

  • Yes, it is a legitmate form of comedy.

    Votes: 61 91.0%
  • No, it purposely offensive.

    Votes: 5 7.5%
  • I don't find anything funny.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Don't know, Don't Care and Other

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Total voters
    67

MrPresident

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After watching Monty Python's Life Of Brian recently, I couldn't help but be amazed as to how this could offend Christians (obviously not all Christians were offended but if I remember there was a boycott of the film). Is this type of humour acceptable? or is it an abuse of freedom of speech. This question is particularly revelant considering the modern-day world situation. So can you make fun of people's blind faith in religion or is that a no-go area of comedy?
 
I have seen the film a number of times, and it was intially completely funny. However, i have been rather uneasy with some bits, but in the end can see it as satire and humour, rather than outright and deliberate blasphemy. And if the people do not like it, or approve of it, then they should not see it.
From what I have heard of Scorcese's Last Temptation of Christ, it does push boundaries in ways that I would find uncomfortable and/or offensive. So I do not watch it, nor hire it. I don't picket the place that shows it, nor shoot everyone involved, as that wouldn't be polite.

There is a thin line to be trod between what is acceptable humour or pushing the boundaries, and what becomes crass and despicable (I think of the Arab "comedy/satire" programs depicting all Jews as blood sucking monsters). It is an area which should be dealt with subtly, with taste, and with regard to the dignity and beliefs of others.
 
As far as I'm concerned, everything is game for comedy. Just look at the 9/11 attacks, the most horrific single act I've witnessed in my lifetime. For a few weeks afterward SNL, et al refrained from anti-US humor, Bush parodies, government humor, Bin Laden humor, etc. But after that "grace period" of a few weeks, they got right back into it, with parodies a plenty of Bush and lots of US Gov and Taliban humor.

Stand up comics have hit al kinds of touchy subjects, including racism, drugs, religion, and death, and as long as the comedy is good, the audience will laugh.
 
We have to be able to laugh at anything as seriously screwed up as religion. Otherwise I don't think we'd survive very long.
 
Nothing - NOTHING is above humor, and the more seriously we take things the more we should be willing to laugh at them.

Humor is a way of approaching serious or even painful subjects, things we might not be able to examine as objectively with a serious approach. In this way for example Eastern Europeans developed a great and huge collection of political jokes throughout the Soviet occupation years and repression, all of which are poking fun at some terrible things going on in their lives but this was the only way they could acknowledge the pain and confront it.

Example:

A (Polish, 1970s) man comes home to find his wife in bed with a neighbor, having wild sex. "You [expletive][expletive][expletive]!", he calls her. "What are doing wasting time here doing this when you're supposed to be standing in line for our weekly bread ration!"

What a way to face the reality that Poland (and maybe Romania) were the only European states after WW II to come seriously close to famine-like conditions.

I love the Monty Python films, :love: and I think The Life of Brian says some very intelligent things about how people are so willing to be led by any fanatic or screwball claiming to have absolute truth. The film was sued by the British government in the 1970s under old blasphemy laws but the Pythons won out because they correctly pointed out the film doesn't make fun of Jesus or Christianity; the only time Christ shows up in the film at all is the first scene when he's giving the Temple on the Mount speech - and they poke fun not at him but at the fact that some people then - and today for that matter - just don't understand what he was saying ("Did he say, "Blessed are the cheese-makers?"), though they may claim to be practicing Christians. I just showed that film to a friend's teenage son, and he was taken aback by the scene where Brian accidentally disturbs the mountain monk (Terry Jones naked! Blech!) and at one stage the monk dismissively declares he doesn't believe Brian is the Messiah, at which point John Cleese's maniacal character ("You're the real Messiah, my lord, and I should know - I've followed quite a few of them!") shouts "Infidel! Kill him!".... My friend's son had recently heard some fundamentalist friends talking about infidels and this spooked him a bit. Good - good comedy should shake you up and make you think, even if you ultimately reject it. Anything that makes you think can't be a bad thing.

The Life of Brianb was merely trying to get people to examine their own religious beliefs, to get them to really justify to themselves whatever they claim to believe in. Most people around the world believe in their religion and its mythology simply because that's the culture they were born into, and they never question it. There's nothing wrong with holding religious beliefs, even strongly - it's just that far too many people hold such beliefs uncritically and without examination, and are even willing to kill others in the name of their own beliefs. (Frank Zappa's song "Dumb All Over" comes to mind.) Look at eastern India the past few days where Moslems and Hindus are killing each over local religious myths (a local mosque versus a Hindi shrine site).

The basic premise of the film is historically true - that Roman-occupied Israel and Judea were crawling with fanatics claiming to be the Messiah, and fanatic cults were springing up left and right. Jesus was just one of many, and it is a miracle of sorts that somehow his message was the one that got through in the end, rather than his times being just remembered as a crazy, revolutionary time where lots of people died for often very bizarre beliefs.

If Python had just made a serious film about this topic, most people wouldn't bother seeing it and it would be dismissed as propaganda of the liberal media. But through humor, the film has become much more popular and allows more people to approach a dangerous topic (Are you sure the Book of Leviticus is the best way to govern modern social relations?) and think about it.
 
I agree with Vrylakas!:goodjob:
Especially this bit:
The Life of Brian was merely trying to get people to examine their own religious beliefs, to get them to really justify to themselves whatever they claim to believe in. Most people around the world believe in their religion and its mythology simply because that's the culture they were born into, and they never question it. There's nothing wrong with holding religious beliefs, even strongly - it's just that far too many people hold such beliefs uncritically and without examination, and are even willing to kill others in the name of their own beliefs. (Frank Zappa's song "Dumb All Over" comes to mind.) Look at eastern India the past few days where Moslems and Hindus are killing each over local religious myths (a local mosque versus a Hindi shrine site).
Couldn't have put it better myself:D

edit: oh, and I watched the film on sunday night to! 4th time I've seen it I think....
 
Yep, good humor, and by the way, MY GOD IS FUNNIER THAN ANY OF YOUR GODS.
 
I think a lot of the critics missed the point at the start of the movie
in that the Python team makes it clear that brian is not the lead
figure in that particular religion.

It is typical of religious conformos to go off on a rant without knowing the facts!


:lol:
 
Originally posted by Vrylakas
Nothing - NOTHING is above humor, and the more seriously we take things the more we should be willing to laugh at them.

Good post Vrylakas. Your statement above encapsulates my view on the subject.

One of the things I love about Australians is their irreverent sense of humour that doesn't flinch from poking fun at pompous royalty or self centred movie stars - or themselves.

I hope that political correctness won't ever change that, because the threat to world peace comes from those who wish to shove their religion down other peoples throats - humour helps us put that into context.

I fart in their general direction! :p
 
I'm a Tedofskyist. its my own religion. we belive that if you do good, and warship {no matter who} that good things will happen to you as your inner force become more in tune with the force of the world, also knowen as god, and the great luck, which determines all random acitons. you can also, as we belive, make deals with god, example "I'll go to church tomarrow, if I can sleep with her tonight." then if you dont go, your car will get a flat... in the middle of NYC... during a rainstorm.... in a gang-part of town. I dont mind religious humour... the funniest joke I know is

"Wanna know whats real funny? Christanity"
 
Originally posted by Pellaken
"I'll go to church tomarrow, if I can sleep with her tonight."

I think you'd have to put a more forward on your end of the bargain to get this arranged. ;)

Religious humor is definitely needed. It helps us cope when religion goes bad. An example is my neighbors: they are fanatical Catholics that don't believe in contraception, saying it falls in with abortion, so they keep pumping out those kids, who all have a genetic defect causing them to be mentally ********, 11 so far. They also apply this to their cats and don't have them neutered, causing tons of kittens to be born, most of which won't have a home found for them and are put down within a few months. :(
 
I think religeous humor is fine. If some one has a big problem with it they can warn others of their religion not to watch it, while the rest of us enjoy it :D
 
Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
There is a thin line to be trod between what is acceptable humour or pushing the boundaries, and what becomes crass and despicable (I think of the Arab "comedy/satire" programs depicting all Jews as blood sucking monsters).
First, I think that's more racism than religious humor/blasphemie.
Second, and more important, it's NOT meant humorous, but rather serious, at least that's the intend behind it.
So I think this doesn't belong to the category "humor". I think, as many others here that ALL humor is right, should be allowed, etc..
Satire is allright (and should be done far more imo) but satire requires an amount of reflection that racists aren't capable of.
Who can't laugh about himself, shouldn't laugh about others... ;)
 
Vrylakas' post reminded me of an old Russian joke:
First Man: "Hello, how are you?"
Second Man: "Oh, can't complain."
:)
 
Originally posted by MrPresident
After watching Monty Python's Life Of Brian recently, I couldn't help but be amazed as to how this could offend Christians (obviously not all Christians were offended but if I remember there was a boycott of the film). Is this type of humour acceptable? or is it an abuse of freedom of speech. This question is particularly revelant considering the modern-day world situation. So can you make fun of people's blind faith in religion or is that a no-go area of comedy?

In that case I'll have to check it out
 
In that case I'll have to check it out
I would like to recommend Monty Python's Life Of Brian to anyone who can accept religious humour. My favourite part was the stoning scene with John Cleese. Superbly written and performed, it truely makes you think about religion.
 
Originally posted by MrPresident

I would like to recommend Monty Python's Life Of Brian to anyone who can accept religious humour. My favourite part was the stoning scene with John Cleese. Superbly written and performed, it truely makes you think about religion.

"You're only making it worse for yourself!"

"Worse? How could it get any worse? Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah!"

That whole movie is classic, but that is one of the better scenes, I'll agree.

I got the impression that Python movies were a pre-requisite for being on this board. Watching them will make the posts make a lot more sense.

As an example: Just recently I stated this in a thread about the UN (Look at the context before making any assumptions, OK?)

"It may be better than strange women lying in ponds distributing swords, but it could use some improvement if it is to be a true vehicle for greater cohesion and understanding between nations."

The humor (as I see it) would be completely lost on someone not having seen Holy Grail.
 
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