Don't want to sound like a wowser but I have children under 7 playing & prefer not to have to answer question like 'what is a brothel?' So can someone tell me how I can remove it or change the name to club so all appearances of it in the game will refer to it as club.
Remove brothel
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Afforess
The White Wizard
Search for "Brothel" in the "Rise of Mankind/Assets/XML/Text" folder and change it to whatever you want.
I never understood censorship....
You can have fighting, brutality, gore, blood, shooting, war, buttkicking, facesmacking etc etc etc, but as soon as you show one breast then all hell and disaster strikes (even though the breast is one of the first things humans see after being born, and they are a natural part of feeding for all mamals.)
I remember a soap series in thailand about airhostes. one of them had plastic boobs, and when she wore a low cut dress (not really showing that much) a big fat censor blur was put on her chest. Yet, when a guy hung himself from one of the bridges in Bkk, and the lash separated his body from his head, all the newspapers showed a picture of the hanging head on the front page...
You can have fighting, brutality, gore, blood, shooting, war, buttkicking, facesmacking etc etc etc, but as soon as you show one breast then all hell and disaster strikes (even though the breast is one of the first things humans see after being born, and they are a natural part of feeding for all mamals.)
I remember a soap series in thailand about airhostes. one of them had plastic boobs, and when she wore a low cut dress (not really showing that much) a big fat censor blur was put on her chest. Yet, when a guy hung himself from one of the bridges in Bkk, and the lash separated his body from his head, all the newspapers showed a picture of the hanging head on the front page...
Thanks Afforess. I used a great search program called Agent Ransack & located all occurrences of said topic and changed them to 'Club'. I alsoo changed the Civpedia info; so now my 6 year old, who has a reading age of about 12 or more, can read about a 'club' instead and I don't have to explain what prostitution etc is.
Just in case I have been misunderstood, I have no problem with him seeing a depiction of a naked woman or man but I certainly do ensure he does not see graphic violence on TV or play computer games with graphic violence.
I have found the game of Civilization to be a great learning tool for him. Until recently he was only interested in racing games, but now he is having a great time learning about many new things. He currently has about 8 books from the library, all of which he chose, and all are about ancient civilizations.
I don't know if there are any mods or modmods etc but I would love to be able to add people of note like Thomas Edison, Samuel Morse, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Madame Curie and many more.
Just in case I have been misunderstood, I have no problem with him seeing a depiction of a naked woman or man but I certainly do ensure he does not see graphic violence on TV or play computer games with graphic violence.
I have found the game of Civilization to be a great learning tool for him. Until recently he was only interested in racing games, but now he is having a great time learning about many new things. He currently has about 8 books from the library, all of which he chose, and all are about ancient civilizations.
I don't know if there are any mods or modmods etc but I would love to be able to add people of note like Thomas Edison, Samuel Morse, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Madame Curie and many more.
Afforess
The White Wizard
I think there is a american problem with themIt is like the hot cafe mod for Gta4, you can shot all of them but your own girlfriend to F**k is a no go...
I love bashing censorship as much as the next guy; but don't lose perspective here, we are talking about a 6-year old.
I'm glad I was able to help.
No disrespect to the OP at all. I hope it didn't read that way. I too had a very difficult time explaining a 33 year old visiting friend that I had a brothel and how it worked.
And I'm not against censorship at all. I just don't understand how its weighted.
And yet, last night I saw on the tv-show : America's got talent, a group of 4-6 year old kids doing a naughty dancerutine dressed up as prostitutes. I thought : what the f!!!!, but everybody including the judges saw nothing wrong with it, they actually liked it so much they passed them.
So I guess that if the "limit" is at where the music videoes stop and the porn movies take over (sometimes it can be quite hard to tell the difference without fast forwarding to the end) and this kind of thing happens (and is accepted), then expanding the limit would be disastrous.
And I'm not against censorship at all. I just don't understand how its weighted.
And yet, last night I saw on the tv-show : America's got talent, a group of 4-6 year old kids doing a naughty dancerutine dressed up as prostitutes. I thought : what the f!!!!, but everybody including the judges saw nothing wrong with it, they actually liked it so much they passed them.
So I guess that if the "limit" is at where the music videoes stop and the porn movies take over (sometimes it can be quite hard to tell the difference without fast forwarding to the end) and this kind of thing happens (and is accepted), then expanding the limit would be disastrous.
Antmanbrooks
Prince
Over here in the UK we have the Victorians to thank for the prudish beliefs still lingering on to this day, though in recent years a whole wave of shameless and quite frankly excessive hedonism has taken over which is even worse in my opinion so a little censorship in all things is a good thing.
There is very little middle ground between prudism and totally rude hedonism.
If crossed too far then you can end up looking completely crass, uncouth and detestable with a complete lack of morale fibre. If you get a chance it's worth experiencing at least once though. Spend a Saturday night out in any busy town centre in the UK if you get the chance and you'll know the meaning of crass.
I think the true meaning of prude is one to be admired though; In historical contrast, the word prude was originally a noble compliment. Traditionally, it was usually associated with wisdom, integrity, usefulness, and profit. Even in present day language, it forms the root of the word prudence, meaning "sound judgement in practical affairs".
Which is mostly lacking in the modern British drinking culture.
Brothels are a good thing however, they give a place for the above type of behaviour, conveniently hidden away from the people who don't want to see this kind of thing in their everyday life. If you can't get rid of the Brothel then instead why not tell the kids it's where men go to drink wine, and enjoy the company of young ladies whenever they want? They may otherwise find out from someone with a less favourable explanation.
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
If he likes ancient civilizations, then I highly recommend the "See Through History" book series. They were published in the 90's and feature around 10 diffrent civilizations ranging from the Aztecs, Egyptians, Romans, Inca, etc. In each book it has see through pages where you can see inside the houses and buildings. I loved them when I was younger and would check them out frequently. More recently tracked them down on Amazon so I could have own copies. They have amazing art, which is why I bought them.
Here is one of my favorites ...
The Aztecs (See Through History) by Tim Woods
http://www.amazon.com/Aztecs-See-Through-History/dp/0670844926
Afforess
The White Wizard
Isn't that exactly what the OP did, by renaming it a "club"?
Violence is not usually done in private.
Afforess
The White Wizard
Hmm, in some earlier RoM version I had added most famous physicians and some others like Bill Gates to Great Person lists but I'm now not sure if the current version still has them (there was extensive unit changes between some versions and I might have forgotten to adjust those lists again). I also know that there's python mod component that adds pictures that are shown on screen when a Great Person is born - I've been thinking to add it to v3.0 but at the moment don't know how difficult it will be to merge the python to RoM. We'll see.
I've always liked how Civ games can be also educational, at least I got interested in world history when I played civ 1 game some 18 years ago... Good thing you found a way to change the building name. I've tried to choose a neutral name for that said building but I can understand how difficult it can be to describe the meaning of it to young children (English is not my native tongue). The building is in the mod because historically it has played a role and it wasn't such a taboo subject on ancient times (and not taboo today in some countries). One other building name choice I had in mind was Harem but that word would have limited it to a certain ethnic groups...
One other Wonder building that was on some early design phase was Khajuraho Group of Monuments which is on the Unesco's list and it's one of the famous Indian tourist attractions these days... but then I thought it might be too much for some players (especially for parents trying to explain it to children).
Dancing Hoskuld
Deity
I keep meaning to get back to this when I know a bit more python, but none of the stuff I have done so far involves the screen and that is where the ".. and magic happens here.." box in the flow chart is for me.... I also know that there's python mod component that adds pictures that are shown on screen when a Great Person is born - I've been thinking to add it to v3.0 but at the moment don't know how difficult it will be to merge the python to RoM. We'll see.
Thanks everyone.
I had a look at the "See Through History" books. They sound excellent. I don't know if it's just a stage kids go through, but my son is into 'realism'. He prefers non-fiction books to fiction and he won't watch cartoons or animated movies. I find this a bit sad because there are some great animated movies nowadays and also many great fiction titles for kids.
Now he wants to replace as many of the Civ animated 'movies' with real footage. I'm in the process of testing that with some footage of Chitzen Itza.
When he was so thoroughly into racing games we would paint the cars and create new racing series in a game called 'rFactor' which, like Civ, is highly modifiable. That took so much time, as adding new movies to Civ will also. Oh well, at least he's learning how to do things with a computer rather than just play games.
The possibility of young kids learning about brothels from someone who gives " a less favourable explanation " is food for thought but, as he sometimes plays the game in hotseat mode with friends, I feel I would be in for some criticism from those kids parents if, when they get home, the kids happened to mention the word brothel.
Regarding the word 'prudence', it's a pity the people who are responsible for the 'Global Financial Crisis' hadn't shown a bit more "sound judgment in practical affairs".
The topic of what should or shouldn't be in the game has the potential for diverse 'strong' opinions. Should the Mafia and organized crime, the drug trade, terrorism and political corruption be elements of the game?
I had a look at the "See Through History" books. They sound excellent. I don't know if it's just a stage kids go through, but my son is into 'realism'. He prefers non-fiction books to fiction and he won't watch cartoons or animated movies. I find this a bit sad because there are some great animated movies nowadays and also many great fiction titles for kids.
Now he wants to replace as many of the Civ animated 'movies' with real footage. I'm in the process of testing that with some footage of Chitzen Itza.
When he was so thoroughly into racing games we would paint the cars and create new racing series in a game called 'rFactor' which, like Civ, is highly modifiable. That took so much time, as adding new movies to Civ will also. Oh well, at least he's learning how to do things with a computer rather than just play games.
The possibility of young kids learning about brothels from someone who gives " a less favourable explanation " is food for thought but, as he sometimes plays the game in hotseat mode with friends, I feel I would be in for some criticism from those kids parents if, when they get home, the kids happened to mention the word brothel.
Regarding the word 'prudence', it's a pity the people who are responsible for the 'Global Financial Crisis' hadn't shown a bit more "sound judgment in practical affairs".
The topic of what should or shouldn't be in the game has the potential for diverse 'strong' opinions. Should the Mafia and organized crime, the drug trade, terrorism and political corruption be elements of the game?
Hydromancerx
C2C Modder
I have always loved non-fiction books over fiction books. I know it sound horrible, but the more pictures the better too. My favorite kinds of books are Natural History books with lots of realistic illustrations. When I was young it was all about living animals or prehistoric ones. But as I have gotten older I have learned to love all kinds of natural history (geology, botany, astronomy, ecology, etc) as well as history. I find the more I learn the more you learn how everything is connected to everything else. I am constantly learning and thinking "how can I apply this to what I am working on" be if modding for Civ4 or other creative projects I do.
In short I hope its not just a fad for him. I hope inspires him like the many non-fiction books did for me as a kid.
Mind you I still like cartoons too. So nothing is wrong with cartoons/animation.
Well "Beyond the Sword" is Rated E 10+ (Everyone 10+) so I would say probably not, but if your kid is under 7 I don't think the game was intended for him in the first place. That being said RoM is a mod and anything can happen with game mods. Look at what modders do for even the most mundane games like the Sims where they add all sorts of violent or sexual content to it. All I can say is those things are part of human history and since RoM is suppose to be a more realistic mod, I do not see why they should not be considered as a game element.
Afforess
The White Wizard
admtanaka
Warlord
I don't intend to push this thread on a tangent, but American censorship seems to only be concerned with removing content that can be done so conveniently. A song (or music video) could be about whatever worthless, insulting rubbish imaginable, but most radio stations will be content to play it simply if the swear words are taken out. Look no further than Fifty Cent's "Candyshop," or ODB's "Got Your Money." Does removing the swear words really make these songs more appropriate for the general audience? Is it more offensive that I'm calling her a b---- or that I've written a song objectifying her? I'd rather explain to my daughter what a b---- is than what Fifty Cent is talking about in "Candyshop."
It's the same thing with guns. Most radio stations won't play the word "gun" in a song. But they will play a song celebrating killing someone without second thought. Which is really morally reprehensible? The word "gun" or making light of killing someone?
As an afterward, I should probably note that I am against censorship generally, but that exceptions need to be made for small children (as in the OP's case). There's no need for a 6 year old to understand what a brothel is. My point in saying all this is that the arbitrary protective-facade of censorship probably just encourages the production of artistically-valueless tripe, noteworthy only for it's narrow circumvention of silly regulations.
DRJ
Hedonist
I believe they should, as there is already a mod called "White Lies Black Ops" which could be merged, hopefully. I think it's great your son is all about realism, when I was young (and still today), I too don't find the fictional "magic" stuff intrigueing at all.
Regarding the brothel thing: why mistyfy this topic? Wouldn't do it to my son.
I think your son can understand that people who don't get the love they need tend to buy it, to compensate. So, if you tell him something in the sense of "sometimes if you get hurt by a friend because he ignores you or likes more to play with someone else than you and you see a TV ad about some robot or something, often you wish to posess it to win back attraction and compensate your hurt feelings by consumption. Exactly the same happens with grown-ups, except they have other urges, too, as they want to make babies or at least like trying to.
What did you tell him about "getting killed for your country" or "why cars are dangerous", "who makes the money", "how prison works and why some people in the world are just not getting a trial", "why people are put to death in the land of the free"
AND then you can tell him that "in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make". When I was 10 I tried to read some Rousseau, I didn't understand half of it (at times it was quite boring) but I found an idea in it I had for some time on my own, by then, "a contract of society", making me very interested in philosophy after that.
If you explain highly complex things with the focus of peoples intentions and their sublimations of their needs to be respected as well as loved, in the sense of their "inner child", then your child can see these patterns much more clearly and intuitively.
If that involves the biology lessons as well as sociology ones, that's fine, too, I think. In later ages kids will have a problem with you explaining it - and in the worst case they will try to "pose" and gain a place in society by either imitating gangsta or banksta style. Explaining the origins of those two one-way-streets is essential and so are brothels (f*ck, baby, pay) - as much as barracks (drill, baby, die) or banks (yield, baby, crash).
Yes, showing violence is much more argueable then sex. Even young people are sexual beings. We treat them as if they were neutrums, that's just not right. When I was 10 I found something between my legs - and it was a bit scary to look at mr. snail to bolt - I really thought I was unnormal - as nobody knew about masturbation these days...or at least didn't tell me (and there was no google yet); looking around others if they know my secret etc. - boy, this has to change! let's be honest and proud about sexuality like the hippies did! Regarding prudery, don't make the same mistake with your kids... The more open we are about love and sex (and abuse of it in brothels) the less usury, wars and consumption of useless things there will be as less people try to compensate their urges with money or violence. Thats something a kid always should be able to tell a bully in the face. Or maybe not? Gonna marry in a few days, we're gonna see if I will raise my yet unborn son like this, in the future... good luck with yours!
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