Representation earlier please

[kristopherb]

Am i theonly one that wants Representation ealier?

 

[RockTheCazbah87]

Well it would be nice to see it earlier, but I don't mind waiting.

Maybe you could make a point of building the Pyramids every game?

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Um, it already has an way to come early: Pyramids....>>

 

[kristopherb]

Well it would be nice to see it earlier, but I don't mind waiting.

Maybe you could make a point of building the Pyramids every game?

but building it for that reason is kind of annoying
poll up

 

[scorth]

I'd say build the 'mids. But it's already been said

 

[pi-r8]

but building it for that reason is kind of annoying
poll up

???
No, getting representation earlier is the entire point of building the 'mids. You don't have to build them yourself, you can capture them too.

 

[Handel]

May I get battleships, choppers and armor earlier too? Better when the other still have archers!

 

[kristopherb]

no what i mean is if you miss the mids theres a large gap between monach and rep'

 

[johnny_rico]

no what i mean is if you miss the mids theres a large gap between monach and rep'

It's also easy enough to get constitution with liberalism in BtS. You don't have to wait too long for representation.

 

[LightSpectra]

Republics have existed long before constitutions have.

Though balance-wise, I guess it's fine where it is.

 

[Draknith]

Think about it though. Athens had a democracy well before the game allows you to have it, but then again it was only a democracy of one city. I think the game trys to portray the historical changes from when single rulers were the dominant governments to more representative governments that became the standard later in history. Of course there's Athens, and Rome with it's Republic, but even Rome decended into and empire with one ultimate leader and the main standard for governments were still single leaders or tribal governments during those periods.

 

[mrt144]

I think the problem with it being any earlier is that under a SE it is an absolute beast. . at the point it comes at, there might be some practicle reasons both happiness and specialist wise, but the CE becomes stronger when you have more cities and the requisite techs to get the most from a Town.

 

[bonafide11]

It's fine where it is, why isn't Constitution one of the options on the poll?

 

[Peng Qi]

Code of Laws or somewhere about there. Needs moar Roman Republic.

 

[Shoot the Moon]

I think it is fine where it is. You can either chose to put the effort to get it ASAP with the pyramids or wait a bit. I think it would be unbalancing any earlier.

 

[Bast]

No way. This will seriously weaken the Pyramids.

 

[Peng Qi]

No way. This will seriously weaken the Pyramids.

...and?

 

[Gyprsn]

I think it should come earlier as well :/ there really is a big gap between the first government civic and the second. And Constitution is off the usual tech track (I try to get it as early as possible when doing SE of course, but otherwise I can live without it, along with everyone else in multiplayer games, until we need emancipation, which doesn't even come with constitution).

I don't think that vassalage, civil service, or Liberalism are good techs to do this with :/ I would rather the tech just come a little earlier (maybe before nationalism?). However, I think that having monarchy for so long is very realistic in real-history terms, and I could live with the current set up.

 

[Gaius Octavius]

Trouble is, right now representation is too close to universal suffrage to do any good. Without the Pyramids early on, you're almost universally (pardon the pun) better off going with US than REP late in the game, unless you have lots of specialists or wonders which grant them (or other bonuses to them in conjunction with REP). But again, this is the late game, where SE becomes less important, so it's a law of diminishing returns.

Having said that, pushing representation in its current form back to "aesthetics" or something might make it too powerful. Ancient democracies seemed to survive only in smaller nations, and once they acquired huge empires they tended to degenerate into oligarchies/monarchies/etc., like Rome.

 

[Peng Qi]

If we wanted to represent history better, Representation would need to be able to arrive about 500 BC at the latest; earlier if you wanted it to represent Greece's democracies, too. I'd say place it with Alphabet.

Honestly, I'd like to see a few more government civics. Republic, City States, and Oligarchy are not currently represented in a manner befitting their roles in history.