So after a very long time playing without RAs, I decided to dust them off and give them a try. Some of my notes
1) Are RAs considered cannon to VP? We've never really talked about them very much.
2) So as a datapoint, I just completed 4 RAs in a row on Turn 227 in my recent game. Of course, I completed the Porcelain Tower on the exact same turn, and I'm pretty sure by the order of operations that I didn't get the 50% bonus (sigh).
In total, I gained 2250 science. Broken down, that's ~563 per agreement over 50 turns, which is ~11.26 SPT (its actually less due to yield inflation but that's the raw number).
3) My issue with RAs is one, I think they are too long, 50 turns is FOREVER. 25 turns should be the standard (and I'm fine if the gold cost and science boost are adjusted accordingly). As for the Science....13 SPT is really not much at this point in the game. That said, I am effectively turning 250 GPT into 563 science, so in terms of return there that's pretty good. So I think its a scenario of, if I'm super peaceful with a civ....why not do it, but if there is any concern of them warring I wouldn't do it, and I certainly wouldn't hold up a war or anything to maintain it.
4) A big UI issue is that while there is a notification that tells you a RA completed....it doesn't tell you how much you actually got! I had to walk through my science numbers to actually figure it out (so I might be slightly off, depending on which instant number actually got used the RA total may actually be ~2180). I'll note this on Github
5) So to put the porcelain tower in perspective, if I assume 4 RAs running constantly (which we know they won't as diplomacy starts to break down at this point in the game but just to see), its generating ~22.5 SPT. Whether you think the other version of PT is too good or this is too weak, its clear that 50% to RA is NOT equaling 25% more science in your capital (which lets be honest is where you build this wonder). Even a non-tradition capital is going to have a lot more science base than that.
1) Are RAs considered cannon to VP? We've never really talked about them very much.
2) So as a datapoint, I just completed 4 RAs in a row on Turn 227 in my recent game. Of course, I completed the Porcelain Tower on the exact same turn, and I'm pretty sure by the order of operations that I didn't get the 50% bonus (sigh).
In total, I gained 2250 science. Broken down, that's ~563 per agreement over 50 turns, which is ~11.26 SPT (its actually less due to yield inflation but that's the raw number).
3) My issue with RAs is one, I think they are too long, 50 turns is FOREVER. 25 turns should be the standard (and I'm fine if the gold cost and science boost are adjusted accordingly). As for the Science....13 SPT is really not much at this point in the game. That said, I am effectively turning 250 GPT into 563 science, so in terms of return there that's pretty good. So I think its a scenario of, if I'm super peaceful with a civ....why not do it, but if there is any concern of them warring I wouldn't do it, and I certainly wouldn't hold up a war or anything to maintain it.
4) A big UI issue is that while there is a notification that tells you a RA completed....it doesn't tell you how much you actually got! I had to walk through my science numbers to actually figure it out (so I might be slightly off, depending on which instant number actually got used the RA total may actually be ~2180). I'll note this on Github
5) So to put the porcelain tower in perspective, if I assume 4 RAs running constantly (which we know they won't as diplomacy starts to break down at this point in the game but just to see), its generating ~22.5 SPT. Whether you think the other version of PT is too good or this is too weak, its clear that 50% to RA is NOT equaling 25% more science in your capital (which lets be honest is where you build this wonder). Even a non-tradition capital is going to have a lot more science base than that.
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