I don't own Civ V and I have not played it. I joined these forums when civilization IV was coming out. For those of you who were here during that time, you will probably remember a lot of hate for Civ IV when it came out. People hated the "cartoon" graphics, they complained about the new combat system, they complained about all the bugs, pretty much anything new or different someone would have a complaint about. Some said Civ III would always be the remembered as the best in the series, and that it would always dominate the forums. But as time wore on, patches and expansions game out, and Civ IV has proved itself to be a great game, it took over the forums, and I think it is much better game than Civ III. It is a much more deep rich game, with religions, civics, land improvements, variable tech tree, promotions and much more. Now that I have been here for another release it does not surprise me that Civ V has gotten a lot of negativity. I think this is common for a new release, especially from a community that loves the old game and probably does not want to see change (not to mention the whole steam thing). It is funny because I specifically remember several people saying that Civ IV just gets boring after a few weeks/month, and that Civ III never got old. Now the same thing is being said, just replace Civ IV with Civ V and Civ III with Civ IV. However, there does seem to be more of a negative vibe than Civ IV got. All that being said, I just don't understand the huge difference in the opinions of the players and professional reviewers. Civ V has received universal acclaim from the professionals. All the big name gaming sites gave positive reviews. But there is huge negativity from amazon reviews and from these forums. Furthermore, if you look at user ratings from metacritic or ign, they are somewhere in between. I said all this to lead into my two questions: 1.) Why is there such a big discrepancy of the reviews of professionals and the opinions of regular gamers? 2.) Do you think the hate will dwindle away as it did for Civ IV, or is Civ V truly a bad game?