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Revolution: what's your experience?

Discussion in 'Rise of Mankind: A New Dawn' started by 45°38'N-13°47'E, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. jackelgull

    jackelgull An aberration of nature

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    I think monarchy could use less of a local instability penalty, maybe +1 local instability instead of +2? Either that or it could reduce the instability penalty from distance. It is supposed to be the civic for large empires, but the instability penalty means that empire size is constrained. It doesn't have to be something huge like -50% to instability from distance, but soething =30% or -25% would be appreciated.
     
  2. Vokarya

    Vokarya Chieftain

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    I'm playing a game on Noble difficulty/standard speed/standard size now. It seems to be okay for revolution now but I feel was forced to beeline Athletics and found Hellenism. Getting a religion to spread seems really important to keep revolutions in check. I'm not sure if the AI boosts in the Ancient Era are enough to keep a player from beelining an early religion. I would like that to be possible if the player focuses on the early religion totally.
     
  3. Zeta Nexus

    Zeta Nexus Chieftain

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    I also feel a bit confused about this 'Bribe' option. Whom am I bribing, anyway?
    I'd like to see a different approach. For example:

    -Behead the leaders of the revolutionary elements
    Reduces level of revolution in the city but revolution per turn will increase faster. Revolution increases faster in nearby cities too.

    -Execute anyone related to this revolution
    Greatly reduces level of revolution in the city but also decreases population and happiness by 10%. Revolution increases faster in nearby cities too.

    -Give gifts to the citizens
    Slows down revolution per turn (or even reverts it). No effect on nearby cities.

    -Strengthen the local law enforcement

    Converts the cities :commerce: and :espionage: into rev stability for the next X turns.
     
  4. thegreekweegee

    thegreekweegee Big Guy 4U

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    You're onto something. I've always disliked revolutions because how vague they were inside the box, and making a Revolutions mechanic (bribing) more clear would help make it less vague in one area.
     
  5. Vokarya

    Vokarya Chieftain

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    I find it's very common among modders to cram in as many modifiers as possible and then not be very clear about them. For example, the bribery formula uses your average economy for the last 4 turns to compute part of the bribe requirement. Civics have 14 possible modifiers to affect the Revolution Index. I think this is something where we can at least provide a bit more clarity.
     
  6. Pongui

    Pongui Chieftain

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    I don't suffer from revolutions, but I check status often and play by its rules. I find that more interesting than playing to citizen happiness.
     
  7. TaylorItaly

    TaylorItaly Chieftain

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    I have no problems with this part of the mod.
    I usually pay one time gold for that city and with enough troops garnisoned the index go positive.
    It is very interisting to see great empires split and grow again.
     
  8. nionios

    nionios Chieftain

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    IMHO,Revolutions has become a core mod for ROMAND,so you can't omit it.
     
  9. Vokarya

    Vokarya Chieftain

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    You can turn on No Revolutions in the Custom Game screen. Once the game is started, you can't turn Revolutions off.
     
  10. nionios

    nionios Chieftain

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    Maybe I didn't use the correct word:I just wanted to say that Revolutions is an essential mod that you can't ignore.
     
  11. Rezca

    Rezca The Greatest Jaggi

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    I ignore it plenty of times, like when I want to have a more laid back game where I can expand and conquer at my own pace. The only real drawback to having it off is that Tax Offices become overpowered since they drastically reduce maintenance costs but without Revolutions have no downside to them whatsoever. My opinion is they should be disabled when No Revolutions is checked.
     
  12. Vokarya

    Vokarya Chieftain

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    Tax Offices should not be buildable if No Revolutions is on. If they are, then there is a bug.

    I just tried it myself and Tax Office does not appear if No Revolutions is checked. The XML uses <NotGameOption>, so the No Revolutions option must NOT be checked for Tax Office to be available.
     
  13. nionios

    nionios Chieftain

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    Do you feel that without Revolutions the AI is more competitive for a given difficulty level?I'd like to see a stronger AI on noble difficulty.On the other hand I don't feel like rejecting Revolutions.It's a dilemma for me.
     
  14. Rezca

    Rezca The Greatest Jaggi

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    That's good then. I just seemed to have recalled being able to build it a ways back without Revolutions enabled, but if it's not like that now then all's well.
     
  15. aggri1

    aggri1 Chieftain

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    I tried Revolutions at some point and found it so hard that I never use the option anymore. I quickly built my three early cities and then found that I couldn't do a damn thing anymore. That wasn't fun so I haven't gone back.
     
  16. TaylorItaly

    TaylorItaly Chieftain

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    I was in the same situation , 3 cities and a lot of problems.
    So I try a new strategy.
    And for that I love this game and this mod.
    I don`t want to play every session like the 100 sessions before.
    So, come on . Try something new and beat the ai.
     
  17. Zeta Nexus

    Zeta Nexus Chieftain

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    I never had such problems but could always handle the situation. True, I always start my game on Settler and let it climb up to Deity.
    What's your difficulty?
     
  18. 45°38'N-13°47'E

    45°38'N-13°47'E Chieftain

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    I always play with revolution, starting at noble but with flexible difficulty for me and AI, I usually play most of the game between monarch and immortal, and I'm not a warmonger. I also usually trim up revolution handicap to factor 5 under BUG options. Very seldom I consider myself in deep troubles and I never had to quit a game because I was already defeated. So I wouldn't say revolution is too hard. Granted, if you only want to expand without taking care of anything else, you'll run into troubles: that's how revolution option is supposed to work.
     
  19. Rezca

    Rezca The Greatest Jaggi

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    Every few games I've played have always been the same for me. Early game is always the toughest, with the AI getting three to five cities and not a rebellion in sight while my two or at most three cities are near-constantly crippled by anger and revolts. If I expand slowly, the AI starts planting cities on my borders and eventually declares war with units half an era ahead of mine. If I expand quickly like they do, just add "permanently crippling revolts" onto that but otherwise it's the same deal. My handicap is at 5.0 from what I can see, but I might try lowering it since I'm clearly not good enough to handle the Early Game Revolts :lol:

    The problem for me is that the early game is too hard, and the midgame is too easy. Once you have a few good core cities, Revolution is more a nuisance than a threat. Sure I'll need to fight to keep border cities, conquests, and overseas colonies in check but my standard empire's pretty much golden. Then I can race to try and regain pace with the AI's technology progression and empire expansion just fine unless something goes horribly wrong. Sometimes, things do go horribly wrong. In reverse, the early game is an uphill struggle that feels more like trying to scale Everest than climbing a hill.
     
  20. Vokarya

    Vokarya Chieftain

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    I agree with this, but I can't think of anything that would help other than reducing the revolution index changes from the early game civics.

    I counter revolutions in the midgame with Paved Roads everywhere and combat stacks separate from garrison forces. Once those are set up and aren't attacking another civilization, it's pretty easy to quash a rebellion, and it's good for milking XP for Great Generals/Field Commanders. I think the biggest stage where revolutions drop off is hitting Liberalism/Democracy/Railroad. Running Liberal and Democracy as civics is good for reducing the RevIndex in general, and Railroad really cuts down on the distance modifier.
     

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