RFC:BTS will have 5 new civs!

Since the thread has already been hijacked, i will take the liberty to post some further comments on the subject being discussed.:)

Out if 10 games or so, i have only once seen the Vikings build a city in the area that is todays Denmark. Later though they handed it over to me (Germany) for free, since it was under heavy cultural attack from me. If the Vikings atleast sometimes would take and hold Denmark, i wouldnt mind so much, but it seems as if it never happens.
A solution to this could imo be to make Denmark connected by land to the scandinavian peninsula - like the bosberrus (sp?) straight. Ships going in and out of the Baltic needs to have open borders with the cultural controller anyway, so it wouldnt change much. Chances are that an AI would build either Malmö, Copenhagen, Odense, Århus, Kiel or Hamburg - all cities that would connect the baltic with the north sea
Also, i think the Viking capital should be moved to Stockholm, so Denmark is closer to the cultural core of the Viking empire. I mean, the current capital on the west coast of norway seems extremely silly. I think it was the capital for some small autonumous "Viking" kingdom in that area for perhaps a few hundred years, but its highly insignificent compared to cities like Stockholm or Copenhagen. Maybe comparable to having Bonn as the German capital - It really doesnt seem right.

And then there is the name "The Viking Empire". "Scandinavia" isnt perfect, but its much better than Vikings. I actually think alot of people from Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and to a big extent also Finland consider themselves scandinavians, almost as much as their real nationality. I also think that most people from said contries associate the name Scandinavia more with our common historical heritage, than they associate it with the Scandivian peninsula from which it originates.
Just to try and hammer the point in:). It seems (to me atleast) that the name "the Viking Empire" is equivilant to naming the the Romans "the Legionary Empire". A bad name at best.
 
The Netherlands being it would probably make this useless anyway.. I don't see there being any room...
 
everything he said :goodjob: (except possibly creating the landbridge)

Thanks for your support.:)
The thing about the landbridge is, that having such large tiles as the map does, some areas simply cannot be portrayed correctly (I think the map is very good overall though). It should be possible to both sail from the baltic to the north sea and walk from Germany to Sweden through Denmark. The danish straits are simply not so hard to cross, that they require a boat to cross at this scope. Ideally, maybe there should be a type of tile that both land and sea units could enter?
However there is no such tile, so if we work with what we got, i think a land connection is ok since:
-If a city is build in Denmark, south Sweden or Northen Germany - it creates the desired sea connection.
-In reality, you couldnt travel through the danish straights without permission, and if you where at war with the controller, it was risky to try due to the placements of forts on the coast. So i think its justified, that a nation at war with the controller of the danish straits, is not able to sail through them.
-I think a landconnection is the only thing that will make the Vikings ever go settle and hold Denmark. I think (and this is speculation) that an ai doesnt value it very much, to settle a place that isnt connected by land to the rest of the empire, and which is connected by land to nearby rivals - which might be stronger (and perhaps at bad relations). This is also intuitive to most people.

In short, a land connection isnt the perfect solution, but it is imo still the better of the two options.
 
And in the normal game this area is always with Culture of Germany or Vikings... so you already need a Open Borders Treaty to pass... :)
 
*coughs loudly*

Getting back to the point of the thread, a pic shows that Khmer is in

http://www.civfanatics.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=1307&c=24

Meaning that four of the five new civs are:

Holland
Portugal
Maya
Khmer

so only one spot left!

I still hope it's Ethiopia, to counter the two new european civs and their eneveratble lust for Africa.....

(plus against the whole pro-Ethiopia is anti-Egypt argument is the fact that the first Ethiopian government was formed in 330 A.D (or thereabouts), so lots of time for Egypt to spread and dominate in the 3 millenia before then.)
 
Ethiopia is the only country in Africa that wasn't colonized. Italy conquered it for a short time during WWII (or just before it), so this might be a good reason to add it.
 
Since the thread has already been hijacked, i will take the liberty to post some further comments on the subject being discussed.:)

Out if 10 games or so, i have only once seen the Vikings build a city in the area that is todays Denmark. Later though they handed it over to me (Germany) for free, since it was under heavy cultural attack from me. If the Vikings atleast sometimes would take and hold Denmark, i wouldnt mind so much, but it seems as if it never happens.
A solution to this could imo be to make Denmark connected by land to the scandinavian peninsula - like the bosberrus (sp?) straight. Ships going in and out of the Baltic needs to have open borders with the cultural controller anyway, so it wouldnt change much. Chances are that an AI would build either Malmö, Copenhagen, Odense, Århus, Kiel or Hamburg - all cities that would connect the baltic with the north sea
Also, i think the Viking capital should be moved to Stockholm, so Denmark is closer to the cultural core of the Viking empire. I mean, the current capital on the west coast of norway seems extremely silly. I think it was the capital for some small autonumous "Viking" kingdom in that area for perhaps a few hundred years, but its highly insignificent compared to cities like Stockholm or Copenhagen. Maybe comparable to having Bonn as the German capital - It really doesnt seem right.

And then there is the name "The Viking Empire". "Scandinavia" isnt perfect, but its much better than Vikings. I actually think alot of people from Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and to a big extent also Finland consider themselves scandinavians, almost as much as their real nationality. I also think that most people from said contries associate the name Scandinavia more with our common historical heritage, than they associate it with the Scandivian peninsula from which it originates.
Just to try and hammer the point in:). It seems (to me atleast) that the name "the Viking Empire" is equivilant to naming the the Romans "the Legionary Empire". A bad name at best.

It is a very bad name indeed and having Ragnar as the leader would be like having Billy the Kid of the Cowboy empire. A myth and legend, he is. But fits very well into the unhistorical "Viking empire" that Firaxis seems to like so much :p
 
it's now sure the new civs will be

Netherland
Portugal
Maya (pffff...)
Khmer
Ethiopia

It was said that the 5 new civs will be taken from the ones of Bts, then knowing four of them for sure, the last one is easy to guess, 'cause
Byzantine Emp. (not playable)
Native american (only units as celts)
HRE (Charlemagne included as a german leader)

well maybe a very very little chance for Sumeria? otherwise hurray it will be Gébréssélassié and his pals !
 
I'm still leary of the Maya. While they had a fine civilization, they collapsed for internal and environmental reasons, and never even had contact with the Aztecs or Incas.

ltccone
 
Mayans collapsed because they had, as reported here, 1 star at Foreign, 1 at Cities and 2 at Economy

Well that explains it!

ltccone
 
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