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RFC: Extra Leaderhead discussion

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall Modmods' started by SadoMacho, Jan 22, 2009.

  1. SadoMacho

    SadoMacho spanker of civilizations

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    In new thread for the discussion what leaderheads should be added to RFC in a MODCOMP. The main reasom I'd like to add new leaderheads is that I realy dislike seeing ancient leaders in modern times.

    I'd like to go systematic with this because else the discussion in other threads in the past have always ended up in YES/NO discussions.

    I will start with an easy one (I hope) so we can have a good start :

    Haile Selassie of Ethiopia
    regent of Ethiopia from 1916 to 1930 - Emperor of Ethiopia form 1930 to 1974
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haile_Selassie_I_of_Ethiopia

    download:
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9308

    Possible date of appearing : 1880AD, 1900AD, 1910AD, 1918AD, 1930AD (dates form consts.py)

    Let's start the discussion.

    Are in:

    Ethiopia : Haile Selassie
    Turkey: Atatürk
    Japan: Meiji, Hirohito
    Greece: George I
    Egypte: Cleopatra
    Dutch: Wilhemina
    Arabs: Abu Bakr, Ibn Saoud
    Spain: Franco, El Cid
    France: Joan of Ark, if I find a button for the LH
    Vikings: Gustav Adolph
     
  2. Cethegus

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    I support including him in a modcomp to RFC.
     
  3. SadoMacho

    SadoMacho spanker of civilizations

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  4. War Bear

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    Mustafa Kemal is the best candidate for modern Turkey that I can think of, so why not?
     
  5. kravixon

    kravixon Warlord

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    Indeed.


    I also support the addition of Khomeini and Saddam Hussein as being representative of modern Iran and Iraq. Saddam is more debatable, but it's a good looking leader head and I can't think of any other Iraqi leader.

    Khomeini should be a definite, as Iran was still called Persia until 1935, and Khomeini turned the country into the Islamic Theocracy it is today. One of the best representations in Civ 4 of a government system, I'd say.
     
  6. SadoMacho

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    OK, moving on.

    Khomeini and Sadam will be discussed later, as they are contoversial.

    Next: Japan:

    I was thinking of adding both Meiji and Hirohito

    Meiji appears around 1800 (I know, he should be later), and making him more open for trade and science so Japan can modernise.
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11046

    Around 1900 the switch to Hirohito, a more aggressive and militaristic Japan
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3646

    To continu a bit faster:
    Greece : George I
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7530
    Egypte : Cleopatra
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11639
    or http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=9979
    Dutch : Wilhelmina?
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10731
    Arabia: Abu Bakr as first leader
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=10727
    Arabia : Ibn Saoud
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=287855 (LH is in the mod)
    Vikings : Harald Hardrada
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7914
    Spain: Franco
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=5927
    Spain: El Cid
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11060
     
  7. micbic

    micbic Optimistic Pessimist

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    El Cid was a conroversial persona, as he sometimes fought with the Arabian side.
    Any ancient Japanese leaders?
     
  8. Cethegus

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    Hirohito: will do, I used that one in my previous modcomp

    Ancient Japanese: I don't see the point.

    Any more problems with El Cid? Other ideas for Spain?
     
  10. Cethegus

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    I recall someone suggesting making Wang Kon leaderhead the ancient Japanese leader (his personality wouldn't even need much changing, he's pretty much as welcoming as Japan was back then) and replacing "Ming Tai Zu" with another Chinese leader.
     
  11. kravixon

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    Harald Hardrada for the Vikings doesn't really add that much. We already have a "viking" leader in Civ 4; a later Scandinavian leader would be much better if there is a choice there.

    Does adding additional leaders slow down the game?
     
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    Now that I like. Harald does look good, but I'd rather see how adding leaders changes the loading times. If it doesn't much, then the more the merrier!

    I'd like for France to have a Medieval leader. It always seemed really weird to have Louis take control of Gaul after the Roman empire fell.

    However, the best I can find is Joan of Ark (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5282870 ) . She's not really what I would consider for the spot, but she is still infinitely better that Louis running France in 900AD :king:
     
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    Well, he's Swedish, and not for all Scandinavians a leader, that's why I'd like a Kalmar Union King.

    This is also why it will be hard to find a modern LH for the Vikings.
     
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    Sweden was the strongest of Scandinavian countries, and also I rarely see Vikings control Denmark, so a Danish king wouldn't make as much sense as a Swedish king makes.
     
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    OK, I will use him. I'm going to leave Harald out, because of the small time periode.

    I'm going to use El Cid too.

    On to the more controversial LH then?

    Persia: Khomeini?

    Why or why not?
     
  19. Hitti-Litti

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    Khomeini is famous, but I don't think that he was a great leader. I'd support adding Ismail I, the founder of the Safavid dynasty in Persia. I'm not sure whether his LH has been made, but we could use some other 16th century-ish LH.
     
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    Khomeini: Yes. Among the world's most successful revolutionaries. The most prominent person in the Islamist movement of the late 20th century. It could lead to interesting late-game play if you make him militaristic.
     

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